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		<title>Reader mail: Why are there no Y-UP fares to Europe or Asia?</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/08/reader-mail-why-are-there-no-y-up-fares-to-europe-or-asia/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reader Steven writes in:
I know that so called y-up fares can be a good way to sit in first class for cheap, but I can&#8217;t find them for flights to Europe or Asia.  Can you help?
The reason you can&#8217;t find them, Steven, is because there are none by that name.  International long-haul discount [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader Steven writes in:</p>
<blockquote><p>I know that so called y-up fares can be a good way to sit in first class for cheap, but I can&#8217;t find them for flights to Europe or Asia.  Can you help?</p></blockquote>
<p>The reason you can&#8217;t find them, Steven, is because there are none by that name.  International long-haul discount first (and business) class fares go by different names than their domestic equivalents.</p>
<p>Y-UP fares and their ilk are limited to North American flights, and generally refer to an upgrade from coach to first on two-class planes.  See <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/05/03/first-class-for-less-than-coach/" target="_blank" class="liinternal">here</a> for background on Y-UP fares, and see FareCompare&#8217;s <a href="http://www.farecompare.com/search/yupfares.html" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Y-UP search tool</a> to find these fares on routes you travel.</p>
<p>For Europe or Asia, you&#8217;re generally going to be looking for <strong>Z-fares</strong>.  But there&#8217;s no handy-dandy search tool (yet) for Z-fares like there is for Y-UPs.  (<a href="http://www.farecompare.com/" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Neil and Rick</a>, consider this a challenge!&#8230;)</p>
<p>Z-fares crop up from time to time, but aren&#8217;t available on every route.  Traveling in summer or the December holiday season maximizes your chances of finding such a fare.</p>
<p>For international premium class travel, be sure to also consider the startup airlines like <strike><a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/12/24/maxjet-declares-bankruptcy-and-cancels-all-flights/" class="liinternal">Maxjet</a></strike>, <strike><a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/06/08/all-business-class-silverjet-back-from-the-dead/" class="liinternal">Silverjet</a></strike>, <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/04/27/another-all-business-airline-shuts-down-rip-eos/" class="liinternal"><strike>Eos Airlines</strike></a>, <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/04/04/mamma-mia-mima-the-airline-thats-also-a-private-club/" class="liinternal"><strike>MiMa</strike></a>, and <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/go/lavion/" target="_blank" class="liinternal">L&#8217;Avion</a> (update: L&#8217;Avion is now renamed <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/go/openskies/" target="_blank" class="liinternal">OpenSkies</a>).  These offer all-business class flights to London, Milan, or Paris.</p>
<p>Related:<br />
- <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/05/03/first-class-for-less-than-coach/" class="liinternal">First class for less than coach?</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/05/09/more-tips-on-finding-discounted-first-class-fares-y-up-q-up-etc/" class="liinternal">More tips on finding discounted first class fares (Y-UP, Q-UP, etc.)</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/08/06/updatecorrection-re-discounted-first-class-fares-y-up-q-up-etc/" class="liinternal">Update/Correction re: discounted first class fares (Y-UP, Q-UP, etc.)</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/08/07/y-up-and-q-up-first-class-fares-apparently-not-enough-welcome-m-up-and-b-up-fares/" class="liinternal">Y-UP and Q-UP first class fares apparently not enough: Welcome M-UP and B-UP fares</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/02/16/more-trans-atlantic-flights-but-lower-prices/" class="liinternal">More trans-Atlantic flights, but lower prices?</a><br />
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		<title>L&#8217;Avion: $999 roundtrip in business class New York-Paris</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/12/28/lavion-999-roundtrip-in-business-class-new-york-paris/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[French startup airline L&#8217;Avion, formerly known as Elysair, is offering 999 tickets between New York (Newark, actually) and Paris for $999 round trip.  The first 999 buyers get the fare, so this is obviously limited.  
And remember, this isn&#8217;t in coach.  This is on board their all-business-class Boeing 757s.   Travel [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>French startup airline <a href="http://ad.zanox.com/ppc/?8122830C1587850842T" target="_blank" onmouseover="window.status="http://us.lavion.com";return true;" onmouseout="window.status=" ";return true;" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">L&#8217;Avion</a>, formerly known as Elysair, is offering 999 tickets between New York (Newark, actually) and Paris for $999 round trip.  The first 999 buyers get the fare, so this is obviously limited.  </p>
<p>And remember, this isn&#8217;t in coach.  This is on board their all-business-class Boeing 757s.   Travel much be completed by March 31, 2007, and there are no refunds. </p>
<p><a href="http://ad.zanox.com/ppc/?8122830C1587850842T" target="_blank" onmouseover="window.status="http://us.lavion.com";return true;" onmouseout="window.status=" ";return true;" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">Click here</a> to book.<br />
<img src="http://ad.zanox.com/ppv/?8122830C1587850842" align="bottom" width="1" height="1" border="0" hspace="1" title="LAvion: $999 roundtrip in business class New York Paris" alt=" LAvion: $999 roundtrip in business class New York Paris" /><img src="http://ad.zanox.com/ppv/?8122830C1587850842" align="bottom" width="1" height="1" border="0" hspace="1" title="LAvion: $999 roundtrip in business class New York Paris" alt=" LAvion: $999 roundtrip in business class New York Paris" /></p>
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		<title>Upgrades and Downgrades &#8212; December 2, 2006</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
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Upgraded: French-sounding names
All-business class startup airline Elysair, who will fly from Newark to Paris-Orly, decided at the last minute to change its name to &#8220;L&#8217;Avion.&#8221;  (&#8221;The airplane&#8221; in French.)  Why the change?  It sounded more French.  I guess this explains why, as recently as last week, their website was so&#8230; comment [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><center><img id="image507" src="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/lavion.jpg" alt="lavion Upgrades and Downgrades    December 2, 2006"  title="Upgrades and Downgrades    December 2, 2006" /></center>
<p><strong>Upgraded: French-sounding names</strong><br />
All-business class startup airline Elysair, who will fly from Newark to Paris-Orly, decided at the last minute to change its name to &#8220;<a href="http://ad.zanox.com/ppc/?8122830C1587850842T" target="_blank" onmouseover="window.status="http://us.lavion.com";return true;" onmouseout="window.status=" ";return true;" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">L&#8217;Avion</a>.&#8221;  (&#8221;The airplane&#8221; in French.)  Why the change?  It sounded more French.  I guess this explains why, as recently as <a href="http://www.jaunted.com/story/2006/11/24/11513/127/travel/Elysair+Parties+Like+It%27s+1995" target="_blank" class="liexternal">last week</a>, their website was so&#8230; <em>comment dit-on</em>&#8230;  crappy.  Service, in the same vein as Maxjet, Eos, and Silverjet, <a href="http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=businessNews&#038;storyID=2006-12-01T165404Z_01_L01462185_RTRUKOC_0_US-AIRLINES-LAVION.xml&#038;WTmodLoc=NewsHome-C3-businessNews-3" target="_blank" class="liexternal">allegedly begins</a> December 27, but the newly-minted website isn&#8217;t ready to accept reservations yet&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Downgraded: British Airways</strong><br />
The apparent murder of a former Russian spy with polonium 210 has been big news.  (FYI, though fingers are pointing toward Russia, the element isn&#8217;t necessarily weaponized.  While small amounts are found <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/01/opinion/01proctor.html?ex=1322629200&#038;en=d3b9405f4a3216da&#038;ei=5090&#038;partner=rssuserland&#038;emc=rss" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">in cigarettes</a>, you can, in fact, buy some for $69 on the <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=196513797" target="_blank" class="liexternal">internet</a>.) On top of it all, three British Airways planes have <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061130/ap_on_re_eu/britain_poisoned_spy" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">tested positive</a> for the radioactive element.  Affected: 221 flights, carrying 33,000 passengers and coming into contact with 3,000 airline employees on the ground or in the air.  British health authorities say <a href="http://www.hpa.org.uk/hpa/news/articles/press_releases/2006/021206_pol210.htm" target="_blank" class="liexternal">there&#8217;s no health risk</a>, but I sure wouldn&#8217;t be thrilled to find my flight on the list. <strike><a href="https://lfn.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/lfn.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=2433&#038;p_sid=eijWg2oi&#038;p_lva=2432#" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Click here</a> to see if you flew on one of the flights, from the BA site.</strike><br />
<strong>UPDATE</strong>: BA has pulled the flight information from its website, stating that there was no health risk, so presumably there&#8217;s no longer a need to let people know if they were among the 30,000.  Tsk tsk.  No worries: The Seattle Times <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/traveloutdoors/2003453532_webbritishside29.html" target="_blank" class="liexternal">has the list</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Downgraded: Kids on Alaska Airlines</strong><br />
As of November 1, Alaska Airlines has <a href="http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/travel/story.html?id=3a92657c-2d0e-4062-8938-66c758e8fdb3" target="_blank" class="liexternal">stopped selling</a> children&#8217;s fares at a 33% discount. </p>
<p><strong>Upgraded: Competition between Chicago and New York</strong><br />
Delta is <a href="http://www.newyorkbusiness.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061129/FREE/61129012/1086/FREE" target="_blank" class="liexternal">increasing</a> service between New York area airports and Chicago, in a big way, including a &#8220;shuttle-style&#8221; service from LaGuardia.  This comes as jetBlue starts up JFK-O&#8217;Hare service in the new year.  That means American, United, Delta, jetBlue, and ATA all fly between the two cities.  Viva competition!</p>
<p><strong>Upgraded: Fake boarding pass guy&#8217;s freedom</strong><br />
The Indiana University graduate student who posted a <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/28/forged-boarding-passes-fraud-yes-but-where-is-the-security-threat/" target="_blank" class="liinternal">fake boarding pass generator</a> for Northwest Airlines (to prove a point about how easy it is to create such a pass, and how the boarding pass/id checks at airport security are pointless) is <a href="http://news.com.com/2061-10789_3-6139000.html?part=rss&#038;tag=2547-1_3-0-5&#038;subj=news" target="_blank" class="liexternal">freed</a>.  </p>
<p><strong>Upgraded: Shorter waits for toilets onboard China Southern Airlines</strong><br />
<a href="http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&#038;storyID=2006-11-30T033706Z_01_PEK202036_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-CHINA-TOILET.XML&#038;WTmodLoc=HP-C13-Oddly-2" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Pee first</a>, fly later.  The airline is asking passengers to use the bathrooms before takeoff, since each inflight flush burns as much as a liter of fuel. Yikes!</p>
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		<title>Another all-business class airline&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eos, Maxjet, Silverjet, MiMa&#8230; and now Elysair.
A new French carrier is planning to launch premium transatlantic flights by the end of the year using an ex-Condor Boeing 757-200.
Paris-based Elysair says that France&#8217;s civil aviation administration DGAC is &#8220;in the process&#8221; of delivering its French air carrier operating licence and air carrier certificate, the airline having [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eos, Maxjet, Silverjet, MiMa&#8230; and now <a href="http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/08/22/208543/Start-up+to+fly+transatlantic+premium+services.html" target="_blank" class="liexternal">Elysair</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>A new French carrier is planning to launch premium transatlantic flights by the end of the year using an ex-Condor Boeing 757-200.</p>
<p>Paris-based Elysair says that France&#8217;s civil aviation administration DGAC is &#8220;in the process&#8221; of delivering its French air carrier operating licence and air carrier certificate, the airline having fulfilled the necessary economic criteria.</p></blockquote>
<p>At least you won&#8217;t have to connect in London&#8230;</p>
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