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	<title>Comments on: Would you fly an airline that&#8217;s collateral for a loan?</title>
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		<title>By: Joe Karcia</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/12/01/would-you-fly-an-airline-thats-collateral-for-a-loan/#comment-37824</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Karcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 13:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all just false rumors. To be honest, Emirates is highly profitable with this year reporting 400% + while Etihad yet to break even. So in real sense, if any merger to take place (if any), it is good for Emirates and Emirates will retain management control since they have marvelous experience.

And I have traveled Emirates several times, its a pleasure. Regarding Dubai debt issues, it is nothing worse or better than most metropolitan cities. So don&#039;t listen to media. Life still continues here and there are new developments being inaugurated as well.

An Expat in Dubai – happy and loving it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all just false rumors. To be honest, Emirates is highly profitable with this year reporting 400% + while Etihad yet to break even. So in real sense, if any merger to take place (if any), it is good for Emirates and Emirates will retain management control since they have marvelous experience.</p>
<p>And I have traveled Emirates several times, its a pleasure. Regarding Dubai debt issues, it is nothing worse or better than most metropolitan cities. So don&#8217;t listen to media. Life still continues here and there are new developments being inaugurated as well.</p>
<p>An Expat in Dubai – happy and loving it.</p>
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		<title>By: nzm</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/12/01/would-you-fly-an-airline-thats-collateral-for-a-loan/#comment-30934</link>
		<dc:creator>nzm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creative accountancy and lack of transparency is a global issue - but in Dubai, it&#039;s an art-form!  It wouldn&#039;t be surprising if leased planes were on the books as assets.

Other airlines would also slag off Emirates as having an unfair advantage when it came to profitability and airfare prices, as being government-owned in an oil-producing country, they were able to get cheaper fuel.  That may or may not have been the case - who knows for sure, except for the owners and top men in the company, and they&#039;re not going to tell!

Etihad has always suffered as the smaller, lesser-known sister of Emirates, but has a great emerging brand, and stellar service too.  Although established in 2003, it wasn&#039;t until 2006 that Abu Dhabi began to focus on it, when it became apparent that Gulf Air (which at that time was owned by Bahrain, Oman and Abu Dhabi), as a company, wasn&#039;t going in the direction that Abu Dhabi wanted it to go in.  So they started building up Etihad.

I still love Dubai and the U.A.E. and would move back there in a heartbeat, if the opportunity arose for us to do so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creative accountancy and lack of transparency is a global issue &#8211; but in Dubai, it&#8217;s an art-form!  It wouldn&#8217;t be surprising if leased planes were on the books as assets.</p>
<p>Other airlines would also slag off Emirates as having an unfair advantage when it came to profitability and airfare prices, as being government-owned in an oil-producing country, they were able to get cheaper fuel.  That may or may not have been the case &#8211; who knows for sure, except for the owners and top men in the company, and they&#8217;re not going to tell!</p>
<p>Etihad has always suffered as the smaller, lesser-known sister of Emirates, but has a great emerging brand, and stellar service too.  Although established in 2003, it wasn&#8217;t until 2006 that Abu Dhabi began to focus on it, when it became apparent that Gulf Air (which at that time was owned by Bahrain, Oman and Abu Dhabi), as a company, wasn&#8217;t going in the direction that Abu Dhabi wanted it to go in.  So they started building up Etihad.</p>
<p>I still love Dubai and the U.A.E. and would move back there in a heartbeat, if the opportunity arose for us to do so!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/12/01/would-you-fly-an-airline-thats-collateral-for-a-loan/#comment-30923</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A merger of Etihad and Emirates, with Etihad remaining in control, would not be a terrible outcome for consumers, frankly.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/go/etihad/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Etihad&lt;/a&gt; product is very, very well-regarded.  I&#039;ve never flown Etihad, but those I know who have -- whom I trust -- are very pleased.

Thanks, nzm!

Edited to add: I&#039;m not sure the leased planes are a problem, per se, unless they really were including the planes as fully-owned assets on their books.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A merger of Etihad and Emirates, with Etihad remaining in control, would not be a terrible outcome for consumers, frankly.  The <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/go/etihad/" rel="nofollow" class="liinternal">Etihad</a> product is very, very well-regarded.  I&#8217;ve never flown Etihad, but those I know who have &#8212; whom I trust &#8212; are very pleased.</p>
<p>Thanks, nzm!</p>
<p>Edited to add: I&#8217;m not sure the leased planes are a problem, per se, unless they really were including the planes as fully-owned assets on their books.</p>
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		<title>By: nzm</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/12/01/would-you-fly-an-airline-thats-collateral-for-a-loan/#comment-30922</link>
		<dc:creator>nzm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stop the press.

News just out of Dubai from a friend indicates that the local whisper around town is that Emirates is in talks with Etihad Air (the national airline of the U.A.E. and based in Abu Dhabi which is the capital city) for a buy-out. 

Apparently all is not as well as it seems with the Dubai-based airline. Non-ownership of most of their planes (i.e. leased) means that the balance sheets have looked better than they should. No assets = no liabilities.

However, if Etihad do buy out Emirates, all flights will go ahead as planned, as Etihad would dearly love to have Emirates&#039; routes.

Will post more as I hear more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stop the press.</p>
<p>News just out of Dubai from a friend indicates that the local whisper around town is that Emirates is in talks with Etihad Air (the national airline of the U.A.E. and based in Abu Dhabi which is the capital city) for a buy-out. </p>
<p>Apparently all is not as well as it seems with the Dubai-based airline. Non-ownership of most of their planes (i.e. leased) means that the balance sheets have looked better than they should. No assets = no liabilities.</p>
<p>However, if Etihad do buy out Emirates, all flights will go ahead as planned, as Etihad would dearly love to have Emirates&#8217; routes.</p>
<p>Will post more as I hear more!</p>
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		<title>By: Merricks Barbados</title>
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		<dc:creator>Merricks Barbados</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Allan, above Emirates are the leading airline, have flown buisness and economy with them to Dubai from UK, all i can say is A M A Z I N G ... as to living in a parked 777, umm i&#039;ll have to think on that! :)
Ally R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Allan, above Emirates are the leading airline, have flown buisness and economy with them to Dubai from UK, all i can say is A M A Z I N G &#8230; as to living in a parked 777, umm i&#8217;ll have to think on that! <img src='http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Ally R.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve flown Emirates out of LAX numerous times.  I would fly that airline over any other airline (well, maybe except Singapore) in a heartbeat.  I would live in a parked Emirates 777 if I could.  

Economy on Emirates has better service than Business Class on United or American.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve flown Emirates out of LAX numerous times.  I would fly that airline over any other airline (well, maybe except Singapore) in a heartbeat.  I would live in a parked Emirates 777 if I could.  </p>
<p>Economy on Emirates has better service than Business Class on United or American.</p>
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		<title>By: nzm</title>
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		<dc:creator>nzm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abu Dhabi doesn&#039;t want to use Emirates Air as collateral on a loan - they want ownership!  But if there&#039;s anything that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum (ruler of Dubai and vice-Pres of the UAE) will want to keep his hands on, it will be his precious airline.

It&#039;s about the only thing about Dubai that is profitable at the moment, so there are no worries about flying with them or keeping the tickets.

Flying Emirates is a joy.  I&#039;ve flown in all 3 classes.  Economy can be hit-and-miss depending on aircraft and crew (if the aircraft isn&#039;t fitted with their superior ICE entertainment system, then it can be a long trip, and if you get recent trainees, the cabin service can be a bit lax), Business Class is wonderful, and First Class is fantastic.  The airline is also one of the few remaining in the world which gives out very decent on-board cosmetic bags filled with great goodies.  The bags are very usable after the flight too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abu Dhabi doesn&#8217;t want to use Emirates Air as collateral on a loan &#8211; they want ownership!  But if there&#8217;s anything that Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum (ruler of Dubai and vice-Pres of the UAE) will want to keep his hands on, it will be his precious airline.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about the only thing about Dubai that is profitable at the moment, so there are no worries about flying with them or keeping the tickets.</p>
<p>Flying Emirates is a joy.  I&#8217;ve flown in all 3 classes.  Economy can be hit-and-miss depending on aircraft and crew (if the aircraft isn&#8217;t fitted with their superior ICE entertainment system, then it can be a long trip, and if you get recent trainees, the cabin service can be a bit lax), Business Class is wonderful, and First Class is fantastic.  The airline is also one of the few remaining in the world which gives out very decent on-board cosmetic bags filled with great goodies.  The bags are very usable after the flight too!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/12/01/would-you-fly-an-airline-thats-collateral-for-a-loan/#comment-30909</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver, your comment quite succinctly sums it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver, your comment quite succinctly sums it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each and every major US carrier has a greater chance of going out of business...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each and every major US carrier has a greater chance of going out of business&#8230;</p>
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