Comments on: Chutzpah: Ryanair to charge £5 (and up) for boarding passes http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/ Living the first class life -- at coach prices Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:21:15 +0000 hourly 1 By: The nerve these guys have – Ryanair now charging for boarding passes?!? | Tim's Adventures http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-67905 The nerve these guys have – Ryanair now charging for boarding passes?!? | Tim's Adventures Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:23:13 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-67905 [...] Chutzpah: Ryanair to charge £5 (and up) for boarding passes | Upgrade: Travel Better. Tim is preparing to travel the world on a much needed career break. His travels have already taken him to New Zealand, India, China, Taiwan, and many places in western Europe. On his world trip he hopes to become more fluent in Mandarin Chinese, meet new friends, gain new perspectives, and find new opportunities. Follow Tim on his global adventures. Tim View all posts by Tim Tims website var fbShare = {url: 'http://timsadventures.com/personal/the-nerve-these-guys-have-ryanair-now-charging-for-boarding-passes/',size: 'large',} Posted in: Personal, Travel   Tags: link, perspective « How to develop a rewards program strategy…. I Like Breakfast Group: Breakfast at The Strip Club in St. Paul, MN. » [...] [...] Chutzpah: Ryanair to charge £5 (and up) for boarding passes | Upgrade: Travel Better. Tim is preparing to travel the world on a much needed career break. His travels have already taken him to New Zealand, India, China, Taiwan, and many places in western Europe. On his world trip he hopes to become more fluent in Mandarin Chinese, meet new friends, gain new perspectives, and find new opportunities. Follow Tim on his global adventures. Tim View all posts by Tim Tims website var fbShare = {url: 'http://timsadventures.com/personal/the-nerve-these-guys-have-ryanair-now-charging-for-boarding-passes/',size: 'large',} Posted in: Personal, Travel   Tags: link, perspective « How to develop a rewards program strategy…. I Like Breakfast Group: Breakfast at The Strip Club in St. Paul, MN. » [...]

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]]> By: Pretend you’re running an airline: What would you do differently? | Upgrade: Travel Better http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-28183 Pretend you’re running an airline: What would you do differently? | Upgrade: Travel Better Wed, 03 Jun 2009 11:47:48 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-28183 [...] in a discussion of Ryanair’s latest fee (a charge to generate a boarding pass), reader Mike offered this challenge for anyone criticizing the airlines for “nickel and diming” their passengers: You have [...] [...] in a discussion of Ryanair’s latest fee (a charge to generate a boarding pass), reader Mike offered this challenge for anyone criticizing the airlines for “nickel and diming” their passengers: You have [...]

]]> By: Steve B http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-28153 Steve B Sun, 31 May 2009 23:31:31 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-28153 I blame the passengers for buying tickets on bad airlines. Instead of complaining to the airlines, stop flying Ryanair. I'm complaining to all of you who are supporting their poor service. I don't plan to fly Ryanair, but don't want the other airlines to follow suite as a result of passengers making their management style profitable. I blame the passengers for buying tickets on bad airlines. Instead of complaining to the airlines, stop flying Ryanair. I’m complaining to all of you who are supporting their poor service. I don’t plan to fly Ryanair, but don’t want the other airlines to follow suite as a result of passengers making their management style profitable.

]]> By: Andy Hayes http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-28112 Andy Hayes Wed, 27 May 2009 19:19:53 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-28112 As I've mentioned over on my blog recently, I'm fine with whatever funny pricing games that Ryanair wants to play. But I think they cross the line when they charge you for items that are -required- to actually board. Like checking in. Absolutely ludicrous. As I’ve mentioned over on my blog recently, I’m fine with whatever funny pricing games that Ryanair wants to play. But I think they cross the line when they charge you for items that are -required- to actually board. Like checking in. Absolutely ludicrous.

]]> By: Miguel http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-28082 Miguel Sun, 24 May 2009 23:49:47 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-28082 I think that after all, paying all those extra fees like getting to the remote airports that Ryanair fly's from Etc.. we end up paying the same price as a regular ticket.. But the good thing is we still get the thrill that we got a flight for 20 euro. How would you call it...living the first class life at coach prices...! I think that after all, paying all those extra fees like getting to the remote airports that Ryanair fly’s from Etc.. we end up paying the same price as a regular ticket.. But the good thing is we still get the thrill that we got a flight for 20 euro. How would you call it…living the first class life at coach prices…!

]]> By: Rob W http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-28061 Rob W Sat, 23 May 2009 03:36:15 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-28061 Why would anyone bother flying with an airline who treats customers as the enemies. Thank christ they aren't in Australia yet, although those frauds at Virgin Blue seem to mimic everything the low-cost European carriers do. I'd rather fly full fare and at least be treated with dignity. I hope they go out of business. Why would anyone bother flying with an airline who treats customers as the enemies. Thank christ they aren’t in Australia yet, although those frauds at Virgin Blue seem to mimic everything the low-cost European carriers do. I’d rather fly full fare and at least be treated with dignity. I hope they go out of business.

]]> By: Rob W http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-28060 Rob W Sat, 23 May 2009 03:36:13 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-28060 Why would anyone bother flying with an airline who treats customers as the enemies. Thank christ they aren't in Australia yet, although those frauds at Virgin Blue seem to mimic everything the low-cost European carriers do. I'd rather fly full fare and at least be treated with dignity. I hope they go out of business. Why would anyone bother flying with an airline who treats customers as the enemies. Thank christ they aren’t in Australia yet, although those frauds at Virgin Blue seem to mimic everything the low-cost European carriers do. I’d rather fly full fare and at least be treated with dignity. I hope they go out of business.

]]> By: low cost airliner http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-27985 low cost airliner Mon, 18 May 2009 10:52:30 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-27985 At least Ryanair won´t introduce the"FAT TAX - viz http://blog.flylowcostairlines.org/2009/05/08/ryanair-will-not-introduce-fat-tax/. It is really too much...I don´t think O´Leary has the best strategy he could have voted. At least Ryanair won´t introduce the”FAT TAX – viz http://blog.flylowcostairlines.org/2009/05/08/ryanair-will-not-introduce-fat-tax/. It is really too much…I don´t think O´Leary has the best strategy he could have voted.

]]> By: Mike http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2009/05/15/chutzpah-ryanair-to-charge-5-and-up-for-boarding-passes/#comment-27973 Mike Sat, 16 May 2009 17:10:35 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=3081#comment-27973 Mind of J - apologies in belaboring this, but i was rereading your equation, as i think it is a valuable tool, and your assertions. However a quick search on airline speed does meet your initial 50 knot assertion. 1) 1930s-1950s DC-3 - Credited with beginning commercial airline travel in the US. Cruise speed = 130kn, Range = 1,025 miles 2) 1950s-1970s DC-6 - Cruise speed = 264kn, Range = 3,010 miles 3) 1960-1970s Boeing 707 - Credited with ushering in the Jet Age Cruise speed = 540kn, Range = 4,235 miles 4) 1980s-Today Boeing 737 - Cruise speed = 447kn, Range = 4,500 miles (all stats above were found within http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline) So looking at your assertion above, if inception is the 1950s, airline speed has increased 320kn, but if you say it's the start of the jet age, then the cruising speed has actually come down 93kn. So to come back to your point, you are right in your equation and that airlines have been significantly slowing down their planes, but i think it pays to back up your facts with data rather than guessing. Thus to make an assertion on the number of amenities to have dropped 50% is a bit speculative, don't you think? Do you have any data to support the decrease in "number of amenities, passenger space, and attitude toward customers"? For me, I think the most important fact is that average fare per passenger mile has been falling steadily from $0.22 a mile in 1975 to $0.13 a mile in 1993 adjusted for inflation ((http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jCfkJUL8oV0C&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=average+plane+ticket+price+1975&source=bl&ots=5DZCI_x77o&sig=QFLKUwH8u0-vjroFBnT-rpm85kg&hl=en&ei=2OsOSsj6H8HOjAf4zfHkCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#PPA11,M1). Since 1993, another study suggests that from 1995-2004, fare prices have dropped a further 20% when adjusted for inflation. (http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1048&context=iber/cpc) So now you have to deal with a business with slower planes and lower revenues, when inflation is taken into account, so yes amenities will likely go. So to come back to your overall argument, your equation is spot on - but please back it up with documentation. However, going to back to my original argument, can you see why airlines are now "nickle and diming" you? You have a cut throat competitive industry, with bloated infrastructure costs, the inability to raise prices in line with inflation and a customer base which expects 5 star treatment. If you put your business hat on - what would you do? Mind of J – apologies in belaboring this, but i was rereading your equation, as i think it is a valuable tool, and your assertions. However a quick search on airline speed does meet your initial 50 knot assertion.

1) 1930s-1950s DC-3 – Credited with beginning commercial airline travel in the US. Cruise speed = 130kn, Range = 1,025 miles
2) 1950s-1970s DC-6 – Cruise speed = 264kn, Range = 3,010 miles
3) 1960-1970s Boeing 707 – Credited with ushering in the Jet Age Cruise speed = 540kn, Range = 4,235 miles
4) 1980s-Today Boeing 737 – Cruise speed = 447kn, Range = 4,500 miles
(all stats above were found within http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline)

So looking at your assertion above, if inception is the 1950s, airline speed has increased 320kn, but if you say it’s the start of the jet age, then the cruising speed has actually come down 93kn. So to come back to your point, you are right in your equation and that airlines have been significantly slowing down their planes, but i think it pays to back up your facts with data rather than guessing.

Thus to make an assertion on the number of amenities to have dropped 50% is a bit speculative, don’t you think? Do you have any data to support the decrease in “number of amenities, passenger space, and attitude toward customers”?

For me, I think the most important fact is that average fare per passenger mile has been falling steadily from $0.22 a mile in 1975 to $0.13 a mile in 1993 adjusted for inflation ((http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=jCfkJUL8oV0C&pg=PA13&lpg=PA13&dq=average+plane+ticket+price+1975&source=bl&ots=5DZCI_x77o&sig=QFLKUwH8u0-vjroFBnT-rpm85kg&hl=en&ei=2OsOSsj6H8HOjAf4zfHkCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9#PPA11,M1).

Since 1993, another study suggests that from 1995-2004, fare prices have dropped a further 20% when adjusted for inflation. (http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1048&context=iber/cpc)

So now you have to deal with a business with slower planes and lower revenues, when inflation is taken into account, so yes amenities will likely go. So to come back to your overall argument, your equation is spot on – but please back it up with documentation.

However, going to back to my original argument, can you see why airlines are now “nickle and diming” you? You have a cut throat competitive industry, with bloated infrastructure costs, the inability to raise prices in line with inflation and a customer base which expects 5 star treatment. If you put your business hat on – what would you do?

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