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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 08:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which would be around 1978-79...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which would be around 1978-79&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like Tim Clark worked for British Caledonia back in the early 70s.

I lived in the Middle East when I was a kid and I vaguely remember getting weighed on flights in Saudi Arabia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Tim Clark worked for British Caledonia back in the early 70s.</p>
<p>I lived in the Middle East when I was a kid and I vaguely remember getting weighed on flights in Saudi Arabia.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few more responses, from the mailbag.  The consistent theme is &quot;puddle-jumpers.&quot;

Colleen writes (emphasis added):
&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, I do remember this. About 20 years ago Harbor Airlines, a small island commuter airline in the Pacific Northwest did this for all flights. In order to properly fly the small planes they needed an exact weight for fuel between islands. &lt;strong&gt;They asked for your weight on the phone when you booked your reservation. When you checked in, if the weight looked questionable, you and your luggage hopped on the scale together.&lt;/strong&gt; This way it was not so embarrassing and no on else saw or knew if you, your luggage, or both were overweight. They did not charge by pound, but if the total person and luggage weight was over 300# you were charged an extra $50.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps this is what a weight-based fare system would need to look like today -- enter your weight when you book online?  Still seems impractical in an age of online check-in and carry-ons.

Ed writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;i do remember PRINAIR.  from sju to sxm  early morning.  all pax had to step on the  scale.  in case certain combined weight had been reached  other passengers had to wait till next flight around 10 am.  in these days (1978?) the airport hotel at sju did not hand out room keys to guests.  so after you left your room you could not return.  i left always my handkerchief between the room door lock to be able to return to bed in case the plane was &quot;full&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That hotel sounds more like an airport locker!

And Elissa writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I flew a puddle jumper in the mid-80s, I think from Boston to Nantucket.  I think it held 10 passengers or fewer.  I wasn&#039;t weighed per se, but I was asked what my weight was.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks to everyone for writing in, both via e-mail and in commments!  (And Claire, I like the spin you&#039;re using to &quot;justify&quot; the elimination of snacks on board...  :) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few more responses, from the mailbag.  The consistent theme is &#8220;puddle-jumpers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Colleen writes (emphasis added):</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, I do remember this. About 20 years ago Harbor Airlines, a small island commuter airline in the Pacific Northwest did this for all flights. In order to properly fly the small planes they needed an exact weight for fuel between islands. <strong>They asked for your weight on the phone when you booked your reservation. When you checked in, if the weight looked questionable, you and your luggage hopped on the scale together.</strong> This way it was not so embarrassing and no on else saw or knew if you, your luggage, or both were overweight. They did not charge by pound, but if the total person and luggage weight was over 300# you were charged an extra $50.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps this is what a weight-based fare system would need to look like today &#8212; enter your weight when you book online?  Still seems impractical in an age of online check-in and carry-ons.</p>
<p>Ed writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>i do remember PRINAIR.  from sju to sxm  early morning.  all pax had to step on the  scale.  in case certain combined weight had been reached  other passengers had to wait till next flight around 10 am.  in these days (1978?) the airport hotel at sju did not hand out room keys to guests.  so after you left your room you could not return.  i left always my handkerchief between the room door lock to be able to return to bed in case the plane was &#8220;full&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That hotel sounds more like an airport locker!</p>
<p>And Elissa writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>I flew a puddle jumper in the mid-80s, I think from Boston to Nantucket.  I think it held 10 passengers or fewer.  I wasn&#8217;t weighed per se, but I was asked what my weight was.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks to everyone for writing in, both via e-mail and in commments!  (And Claire, I like the spin you&#8217;re using to &#8220;justify&#8221; the elimination of snacks on board&#8230;  <img src='http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: The Global Traveller</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was weighed last year on a flight from Lord Howe Island to Port Macquarie.  I wasn&#039;t surprised - prop flight over water into head wind and getting towards the range limit.

I was surprised not to be weighed for a similar Chatham Islands flight this year.

I do recall the odd period when airlines have weighed passengers in order to update their standard weight estimates.  More recently on Flyer Talk a regular posted about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824719&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;being asked to be weighed for a Hong Kong to Singapore flight&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was weighed last year on a flight from Lord Howe Island to Port Macquarie.  I wasn&#8217;t surprised &#8211; prop flight over water into head wind and getting towards the range limit.</p>
<p>I was surprised not to be weighed for a similar Chatham Islands flight this year.</p>
<p>I do recall the odd period when airlines have weighed passengers in order to update their standard weight estimates.  More recently on Flyer Talk a regular posted about <a href="http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824719" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">being asked to be weighed for a Hong Kong to Singapore flight</a></p>
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		<title>By: From the Mind of J</title>
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		<dc:creator>From the Mind of J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fine with this. When skydiving, they have some weight restrictions to if they&#039;ll even let you on the plane, although this is as much to do with if it&#039;s safe to let you rent their chutes as if it&#039;ll unbalance the plane or consume more fuel.

In a country where a large proportion of obese people are so because of their own laziness and negligence, we should have no problem making people pay for the inconvenience their lard causes others. What&#039;s stopping us from this, and other progressive ideas such as making driving exams much harder and keeping smelly people off buses is political correctness. Political correctness is a manifestation of communism that somehow got allowed into a free country.

Let the flaming begin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m fine with this. When skydiving, they have some weight restrictions to if they&#8217;ll even let you on the plane, although this is as much to do with if it&#8217;s safe to let you rent their chutes as if it&#8217;ll unbalance the plane or consume more fuel.</p>
<p>In a country where a large proportion of obese people are so because of their own laziness and negligence, we should have no problem making people pay for the inconvenience their lard causes others. What&#8217;s stopping us from this, and other progressive ideas such as making driving exams much harder and keeping smelly people off buses is political correctness. Political correctness is a manifestation of communism that somehow got allowed into a free country.</p>
<p>Let the flaming begin!</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 05:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see people being weighed along with their bags in old movies too (circa 1930s-40s) -- I have a scene with Cary Grant in my head :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see people being weighed along with their bags in old movies too (circa 1930s-40s) &#8212; I have a scene with Cary Grant in my head <img src='http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: S A</title>
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		<dc:creator>S A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, this would be fantastic. ::eyeroll::  Will the airlines be sending out free USB-powered electronic scales, so I can be weighed while I buy a ticket?  How else will they know what to charge?  I don&#039;t see this ever happening, unless they force everyone to buy tickets at the airport.  Fat chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, this would be fantastic. ::eyeroll::  Will the airlines be sending out free USB-powered electronic scales, so I can be weighed while I buy a ticket?  How else will they know what to charge?  I don&#8217;t see this ever happening, unless they force everyone to buy tickets at the airport.  Fat chance.</p>
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		<title>By: MS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about air travel, but I think that you should be charged by girth for subway travel during peak periods. It would be easy to implement -- have turnstiles of progressively greater widths and correspondingly higher fares, and you pay according to the narrowest one you can squeeze through.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about air travel, but I think that you should be charged by girth for subway travel during peak periods. It would be easy to implement &#8212; have turnstiles of progressively greater widths and correspondingly higher fares, and you pay according to the narrowest one you can squeeze through.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe by eliminating first meals and now even snacks, airlines are actually helping their passengers slim down and eventually save money on air fares. :-)

Claire @ http://travel-babel.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe by eliminating first meals and now even snacks, airlines are actually helping their passengers slim down and eventually save money on air fares. <img src='http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Claire @ <a href="http://travel-babel.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">http://travel-babel.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Alpert</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Alpert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cape Air (which flies from Boston to nearby beach destinations, and then in the Caribbean in the winter) asks passengers how much they weigh when they check in, for weight-and-balance purposes. 

On the last flight I took with them, the plane was full (9 pax); the ground crew specifically pulled the larger guys out of the line and had them board first so they sat closest to the front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cape Air (which flies from Boston to nearby beach destinations, and then in the Caribbean in the winter) asks passengers how much they weigh when they check in, for weight-and-balance purposes. </p>
<p>On the last flight I took with them, the plane was full (9 pax); the ground crew specifically pulled the larger guys out of the line and had them board first so they sat closest to the front.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A crash of a regional flight of US Airways from Charlotte, NC in 2003 was blamed among other things to underestimated weight for passengers and their luggage.  No surprise with rising waistlines...

See http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0401.htm and http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/usair.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A crash of a regional flight of US Airways from Charlotte, NC in 2003 was blamed among other things to underestimated weight for passengers and their luggage.  No surprise with rising waistlines&#8230;</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0401.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2004/AAR0401.htm</a> and <a href="http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/usair.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">http://www.airsafe.com/events/airlines/usair.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael C. Berch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael C. Berch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My SO and I were weighed for a (7-passenger) helicopter flight in Alaska a couple of years ago, to determine weight and balance, and were assigned seats on that basis as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My SO and I were weighed for a (7-passenger) helicopter flight in Alaska a couple of years ago, to determine weight and balance, and were assigned seats on that basis as well.</p>
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