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		<description>[...] Pilots&#8217; holsters Remember the pilot who discharged his pistol in the cockpit and shot a hole through the fuselage, in-flight? He&#8217;s been permitted to fly again, 18 months [...]</description>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>their**</description>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/03/25/feeling-safe-armed-pilot-discharges-pistol-in-cockpit/#comment-29760</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its there constitutional right</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its there constitutional right</p>
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		<title>By: Big.Chief</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/03/25/feeling-safe-armed-pilot-discharges-pistol-in-cockpit/#comment-28672</link>
		<dc:creator>Big.Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the arguments for arming pilots to be just more of the gun nuts saying, &quot;If you just arm everybody, the world would be a safer place&quot;.  Bull!   Most aircraft now have only 2 pilots, and their job should be to  *FLY THE PLANE*.   Giving the pilot a gun only tempts him to open the cockpit door and play Dirty Harry.   A more appropriate set of rules would be:
  1: Never open the cockpit door.
  2: If you had terrorists causing problems, a few minutes of  zero, then +2 Gs  would have them settled down.   The pilot never has to leave the cockpit (see rule 1)

Prior to all planes being retrofitted with re-enforced cockpit doors,  I may have felt differently, but now, it doesn&#039;t make sense to take the pilot away from his primary job of flying the plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the arguments for arming pilots to be just more of the gun nuts saying, &#8220;If you just arm everybody, the world would be a safer place&#8221;.  Bull!   Most aircraft now have only 2 pilots, and their job should be to  *FLY THE PLANE*.   Giving the pilot a gun only tempts him to open the cockpit door and play Dirty Harry.   A more appropriate set of rules would be:<br />
  1: Never open the cockpit door.<br />
  2: If you had terrorists causing problems, a few minutes of  zero, then +2 Gs  would have them settled down.   The pilot never has to leave the cockpit (see rule 1)</p>
<p>Prior to all planes being retrofitted with re-enforced cockpit doors,  I may have felt differently, but now, it doesn&#8217;t make sense to take the pilot away from his primary job of flying the plane.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Lamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Lamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so amazed all I can say is &quot;WOW!&quot;.  Not &quot;Wow, what a profane statement&quot;, but &quot;Wow, what an utterly ignorant statement&quot;.  Obviously, you haven&#039;t taken the time to understand the FFDO program.  Background checks, psychological reviews, training, specific gun protocol, etc.  

As far as the pilots not being trusted...As everyone has said, they are flying the dang plane.  What more of a weapon do they need?  Secondly, if you are going to apply the &quot;pilots can&#039;t be trusted not to have a bad mental health day&quot; rule, then you would have to apply the same to the Air Marshals.  They walk through the terminal, past security, and right onto the plane with a loaded &amp; unlocked gun.  While FFDOs have to keep theirs locked up until they are in the cockpit and the door is closed.  What is going to keep the Air Marshal from deciding, during an especially bad day, to take the lives of a few hundred others?  By this &quot;bad day&quot; rule, no one could have a weapon...except of course for those that slip by the TSA.  And if you think this isn&#039;t possible, then you are more ignorant than I had previously thought.

Security is always applied in layers because each layer is like Swiss cheese.  Every layer DOES have holes, but the goal is to not allow any holes to line up and let the terrorists through.  The FFDO program is the last line of defense that blocks all other holes.

Finally, since 9/11 there have been hundreds of thousands of flights with armed pilots.  You can not point to this one incident and say &quot;See, it&#039;s proven.  Pilots shouldn&#039;t have guns&quot;.  Again...ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so amazed all I can say is &#8220;WOW!&#8221;.  Not &#8220;Wow, what a profane statement&#8221;, but &#8220;Wow, what an utterly ignorant statement&#8221;.  Obviously, you haven&#8217;t taken the time to understand the FFDO program.  Background checks, psychological reviews, training, specific gun protocol, etc.  </p>
<p>As far as the pilots not being trusted&#8230;As everyone has said, they are flying the dang plane.  What more of a weapon do they need?  Secondly, if you are going to apply the &#8220;pilots can&#8217;t be trusted not to have a bad mental health day&#8221; rule, then you would have to apply the same to the Air Marshals.  They walk through the terminal, past security, and right onto the plane with a loaded &amp; unlocked gun.  While FFDOs have to keep theirs locked up until they are in the cockpit and the door is closed.  What is going to keep the Air Marshal from deciding, during an especially bad day, to take the lives of a few hundred others?  By this &#8220;bad day&#8221; rule, no one could have a weapon&#8230;except of course for those that slip by the TSA.  And if you think this isn&#8217;t possible, then you are more ignorant than I had previously thought.</p>
<p>Security is always applied in layers because each layer is like Swiss cheese.  Every layer DOES have holes, but the goal is to not allow any holes to line up and let the terrorists through.  The FFDO program is the last line of defense that blocks all other holes.</p>
<p>Finally, since 9/11 there have been hundreds of thousands of flights with armed pilots.  You can not point to this one incident and say &#8220;See, it&#8217;s proven.  Pilots shouldn&#8217;t have guns&#8221;.  Again&#8230;ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/03/25/feeling-safe-armed-pilot-discharges-pistol-in-cockpit/#comment-21488</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it paranoid, when there are abundant cases of people exhibiting behavior (whether due to lack of training, malice, or questionable soundness of mind) that puts innocent people at risk?

Those who &quot;fail to understand and use firearms competently&quot; are making the case for supporters of gun control.

Your comment&#039;s lack of logic doesn&#039;t help your cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it paranoid, when there are abundant cases of people exhibiting behavior (whether due to lack of training, malice, or questionable soundness of mind) that puts innocent people at risk?</p>
<p>Those who &#8220;fail to understand and use firearms competently&#8221; are making the case for supporters of gun control.</p>
<p>Your comment&#8217;s lack of logic doesn&#8217;t help your cause.</p>
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		<title>By: CPK</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/03/25/feeling-safe-armed-pilot-discharges-pistol-in-cockpit/#comment-21486</link>
		<dc:creator>CPK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, people that fail to take the time (and responsibility) for themselves and make an effort to actually understand or use firearms competently, will go on making paranoid statements like, &quot;guns make me feel &quot;less&quot; safe.

so sad, too bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, people that fail to take the time (and responsibility) for themselves and make an effort to actually understand or use firearms competently, will go on making paranoid statements like, &#8220;guns make me feel &#8220;less&#8221; safe.</p>
<p>so sad, too bad.</p>
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		<title>By: hoser</title>
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		<dc:creator>hoser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, don&#039;t even criticize the pilots until we know exactly how it happened. Secondly, a taser isn&#039;t going to stop a terrorist doped up on epinephrine or the like, and whoever suggested mace is a freakin moron. So I spray the mace at the terrorist and the fumes in close proximity of the pilots also disables them. Smart. The point is, that pilots have to go through many background checks before they even get to the level of a ATP. Even more so when they are allowed to carry a weapon. There are simply enough lunatics that actually make it onto planes as a passenger that a crash axe to the head will not stop. I feel safer knowing there could be a pilot with a gun in the cockpit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, don&#8217;t even criticize the pilots until we know exactly how it happened. Secondly, a taser isn&#8217;t going to stop a terrorist doped up on epinephrine or the like, and whoever suggested mace is a freakin moron. So I spray the mace at the terrorist and the fumes in close proximity of the pilots also disables them. Smart. The point is, that pilots have to go through many background checks before they even get to the level of a ATP. Even more so when they are allowed to carry a weapon. There are simply enough lunatics that actually make it onto planes as a passenger that a crash axe to the head will not stop. I feel safer knowing there could be a pilot with a gun in the cockpit.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark:  

I want to inject some facts into this discussion.

I saw a report on CNN the other day in which current Federal Air Marshals estimated that less than 1% of US flights each day actually have an Air Marshall on them.  Unfortunatley the Air Marshalls do not have the manpower or resources to protect passengers.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/03/25/siu.air.marshals/index.html


Regarding a deranged passenger charging into the cockpit, anytime I&#039;ve seen the cockpit door open mid-flight, there was an FA and usually a beverage cart purposely blocking the walkway to avoid this scenario.

Also, a pilot walking through the airport does not carry the firearm on his hip.  There are strict protocols followed which include the firearm being securely locked when the pilot is not in the cockpit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark:  </p>
<p>I want to inject some facts into this discussion.</p>
<p>I saw a report on CNN the other day in which current Federal Air Marshals estimated that less than 1% of US flights each day actually have an Air Marshall on them.  Unfortunatley the Air Marshalls do not have the manpower or resources to protect passengers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/03/25/siu.air.marshals/index.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">http://www.cnn.com/2008/TRAVEL/03/25/siu.air.marshals/index.html</a></p>
<p>Regarding a deranged passenger charging into the cockpit, anytime I&#8217;ve seen the cockpit door open mid-flight, there was an FA and usually a beverage cart purposely blocking the walkway to avoid this scenario.</p>
<p>Also, a pilot walking through the airport does not carry the firearm on his hip.  There are strict protocols followed which include the firearm being securely locked when the pilot is not in the cockpit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Louis,
You think the passengers on the plane can stop terrorists?  How&#039;d that work out in PA on 9/11? Not  too well, as the plane was crashed into the ground.

The &quot;pea shooter&quot; in the hands of a weapons trained  pilot could have prevented this &amp; saved a couple of hundred lives. Armed pilots are dangerous, dangerous to terrorists!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Louis,<br />
You think the passengers on the plane can stop terrorists?  How&#8217;d that work out in PA on 9/11? Not  too well, as the plane was crashed into the ground.</p>
<p>The &#8220;pea shooter&#8221; in the hands of a weapons trained  pilot could have prevented this &amp; saved a couple of hundred lives. Armed pilots are dangerous, dangerous to terrorists!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s face it, as frequent travellers we cannot depend on the dopes at the TSA to protect us.  I would much rather depend on an FBI trained (weapons class), college educated professional pilot than the minimum wage TSA flunkies who stare at an x-ray machines all day.  

There is minimal danger of an errant pistol shot bringing down a commericial airliner.  It would take a hole in the plane body with a diameter measured in feet (not an inch) to cause the rapid decompression necessary to bring a plane down.

Can minor accidents happen with these fire arms? Yes of course, but that doesn&#039;t mean the alternative of unarmed pilots is safer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s face it, as frequent travellers we cannot depend on the dopes at the TSA to protect us.  I would much rather depend on an FBI trained (weapons class), college educated professional pilot than the minimum wage TSA flunkies who stare at an x-ray machines all day.  </p>
<p>There is minimal danger of an errant pistol shot bringing down a commericial airliner.  It would take a hole in the plane body with a diameter measured in feet (not an inch) to cause the rapid decompression necessary to bring a plane down.</p>
<p>Can minor accidents happen with these fire arms? Yes of course, but that doesn&#8217;t mean the alternative of unarmed pilots is safer.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel safer on planes because the couple of hundred passsengers won&#039;t let a terrorist use the plane a weapon, not because a pilot with a pea-shooter will know what to do.

As this story proves, pilots are dangerous with guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel safer on planes because the couple of hundred passsengers won&#8217;t let a terrorist use the plane a weapon, not because a pilot with a pea-shooter will know what to do.</p>
<p>As this story proves, pilots are dangerous with guns.</p>
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