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	<title>Comments on: Travel 2008: 33 hours from San Juan to Chicago</title>
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		<title>By: From the Mind of J</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19191</link>
		<author>From the Mind of J</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are more reasons than just stimulating better air travel to improve our railways. There are plenty of cities between which car travel is maddeningly slow (especially with porcine forces at work), and plane travel is too much trouble.

Examples are the Dallas/Houston/San Antonio triangle (for which there was once a HSR plan), Seattle/Spokane, Vancouver BC/Seattle/Portland, and LA/San Diego.

People claim that because of America's size compared to European countries, rail travel is impractical, but when you consider the amount of travel that goes on within a single coast of this country, and how much of the country doesn't factor into most people's travel plans, it makes a lot more sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are more reasons than just stimulating better air travel to improve our railways. There are plenty of cities between which car travel is maddeningly slow (especially with porcine forces at work), and plane travel is too much trouble.</p>
<p>Examples are the Dallas/Houston/San Antonio triangle (for which there was once a HSR plan), Seattle/Spokane, Vancouver BC/Seattle/Portland, and LA/San Diego.</p>
<p>People claim that because of America&#8217;s size compared to European countries, rail travel is impractical, but when you consider the amount of travel that goes on within a single coast of this country, and how much of the country doesn&#8217;t factor into most people&#8217;s travel plans, it makes a lot more sense.</p>
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		<title>By: mitch</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19190</link>
		<author>mitch</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19190</guid>
		<description>Two things to remember here.

1 - The airlines already have your money before they provide you with a service, therefore they have no reason to provide anything more than average service.

2 -In most cases there are no viable alternatives to air travel.  Unless the government upgrades our railways substantially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things to remember here.</p>
<p>1 - The airlines already have your money before they provide you with a service, therefore they have no reason to provide anything more than average service.</p>
<p>2 -In most cases there are no viable alternatives to air travel.  Unless the government upgrades our railways substantially.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason H</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19186</link>
		<author>Jason H</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19186</guid>
		<description>Part of the reason the barrier to entry is so high for airlines is the regulations and government licenses!  Reducing the regulations and licenses to a minimum and the chances are that the barrier to entry would fall.  

I don't buy that airlines operate in a cartel environment and if you look at the history of all the airlines, it took them quite awhile to build their route networks.  You can't expect Virgin America to startup with a 100 flight/day network, that's just not good business sense.

If we remove the regulation that prevents Singapore from flying LAX to IAD, then it forces the other airlines to innovate or die.  And I know we all would like a few domestic carriers to die (United for example would be nice as a dead airline).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason the barrier to entry is so high for airlines is the regulations and government licenses!  Reducing the regulations and licenses to a minimum and the chances are that the barrier to entry would fall.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t buy that airlines operate in a cartel environment and if you look at the history of all the airlines, it took them quite awhile to build their route networks.  You can&#8217;t expect Virgin America to startup with a 100 flight/day network, that&#8217;s just not good business sense.</p>
<p>If we remove the regulation that prevents Singapore from flying LAX to IAD, then it forces the other airlines to innovate or die.  And I know we all would like a few domestic carriers to die (United for example would be nice as a dead airline).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19163</link>
		<author>Mark Ashley</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19163</guid>
		<description>"Summer of Hell" = 2000.  Anyone flying United had no fun, as you never knew if the pilots would show up for your flight or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Summer of Hell&#8221; = 2000.  Anyone flying United had no fun, as you never knew if the pilots would show up for your flight or not.</p>
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		<title>By: From the Mind of J</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19160</link>
		<author>From the Mind of J</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19160</guid>
		<description>Good point SA that I missed. Not only can the market not be trusted to keep businesses in check, but sometimes barriers simply are too high for the competition to enter. I'm really not a big fan of government regulation but sometimes we're just kind of stuck with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point SA that I missed. Not only can the market not be trusted to keep businesses in check, but sometimes barriers simply are too high for the competition to enter. I&#8217;m really not a big fan of government regulation but sometimes we&#8217;re just kind of stuck with it.</p>
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		<title>By: S A</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19159</link>
		<author>S A</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 02:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19159</guid>
		<description>Jason, the market is failing.  This isn't the first time airlines said "We'll fix it, the market will work" and we're back to where we were 7 or 8 years ago.  I forget which year it was but Google "Summer of Hell airlines" and see what comes up.

Customers may have a choice among airlines, but despite competition, they're still operating within a cartel environment.  The barriers to market entry are too high for real competition, and it takes a long time for good competitors to build a network.  Look at Virgin America.

The airlines have gotten complacent and arrogant, but we can't just throw the bums out and get a new one easily. 

I agree that regulation isn't necessarily the answer to everything. Regulation keeps Singapore Airlines from flying from LA to DC, for example.  But sometimes it's necessary to have a safety net for consumers.  Being stuck on a plane for hours and hours may be a long shot, but I want some protection in case it happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, the market is failing.  This isn&#8217;t the first time airlines said &#8220;We&#8217;ll fix it, the market will work&#8221; and we&#8217;re back to where we were 7 or 8 years ago.  I forget which year it was but Google &#8220;Summer of Hell airlines&#8221; and see what comes up.</p>
<p>Customers may have a choice among airlines, but despite competition, they&#8217;re still operating within a cartel environment.  The barriers to market entry are too high for real competition, and it takes a long time for good competitors to build a network.  Look at Virgin America.</p>
<p>The airlines have gotten complacent and arrogant, but we can&#8217;t just throw the bums out and get a new one easily. </p>
<p>I agree that regulation isn&#8217;t necessarily the answer to everything. Regulation keeps Singapore Airlines from flying from LA to DC, for example.  But sometimes it&#8217;s necessary to have a safety net for consumers.  Being stuck on a plane for hours and hours may be a long shot, but I want some protection in case it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: From the Mind of J</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19153</link>
		<author>From the Mind of J</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19153</guid>
		<description>The only way that can work is if buyers become as organized as laborers. Buyer's unions may be able to successfully regulate companies in lieu of the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way that can work is if buyers become as organized as laborers. Buyer&#8217;s unions may be able to successfully regulate companies in lieu of the government.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason H</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19147</link>
		<author>Jason H</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19147</guid>
		<description>I subscribe to the belief that government should be composed of three actions.  The police to protect me from other people attempting to infringe on my individual rights.  The military (much smaller mind you) to prevent other nations from attempting to infringe on my individual rights.  And the courts to objectively mediate disputes.  There should be no regulation, no income tax, no welfare (corporate or individual).  Prices, competition, etc should be decided by the market.

If stupid wants to support a corporation that I don't like, fine.  Let them do what they want, I will continue to boycott them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I subscribe to the belief that government should be composed of three actions.  The police to protect me from other people attempting to infringe on my individual rights.  The military (much smaller mind you) to prevent other nations from attempting to infringe on my individual rights.  And the courts to objectively mediate disputes.  There should be no regulation, no income tax, no welfare (corporate or individual).  Prices, competition, etc should be decided by the market.</p>
<p>If stupid wants to support a corporation that I don&#8217;t like, fine.  Let them do what they want, I will continue to boycott them.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19145</link>
		<author>J</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19145</guid>
		<description>I hope in the name of consistency then, that you do not support the ability to buy others ideas (patents, copyrights), then hoard them, as that constitutes government involvement in business in a very destructive way. Also, of course, I hope you don't support lucrative government contracts for shady companies in foreign countries, or corporate welfare.

At any rate, there's a damn good reason to exhort the government for help. Even if you and I both boycott bad products, that won't be enough to run them out of business, with the idiots keeping them afloat. In other words, without regulations, we're at the mercy of the stupid. What do you propose be done about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope in the name of consistency then, that you do not support the ability to buy others ideas (patents, copyrights), then hoard them, as that constitutes government involvement in business in a very destructive way. Also, of course, I hope you don&#8217;t support lucrative government contracts for shady companies in foreign countries, or corporate welfare.</p>
<p>At any rate, there&#8217;s a damn good reason to exhort the government for help. Even if you and I both boycott bad products, that won&#8217;t be enough to run them out of business, with the idiots keeping them afloat. In other words, without regulations, we&#8217;re at the mercy of the stupid. What do you propose be done about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason H</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19143</link>
		<author>Jason H</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 21:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19143</guid>
		<description>I think the easiest thing is to stop coddling adults.  If they can't make an intelligent decision with their money, why should I care?  Government regulation runs counter to the true nature of capitalism.  It stifles competition and innovation.  Besides, why should my tax dollars be used to enforce a regulation that will only serve to rescue the ignorant and inept?  We have enough of that already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the easiest thing is to stop coddling adults.  If they can&#8217;t make an intelligent decision with their money, why should I care?  Government regulation runs counter to the true nature of capitalism.  It stifles competition and innovation.  Besides, why should my tax dollars be used to enforce a regulation that will only serve to rescue the ignorant and inept?  We have enough of that already!</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19142</link>
		<author>J</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19142</guid>
		<description>Hey, look... United is at it again. I'm telling you guys, if you take that airline, you're asking for trouble!

Jason, the trouble with trusting the market to regulate businesses is that too much money is in the hands of unintelligent people. People aren't all smart enough to immediately boycott bad products and search hard for alternatives. Too many are far too chained to their own habits and ignorance, and therefore there's a major hole in the laws of supply and demand.

Before we can ever pull government regulations back, we need to find a way to keep stupid people from wielding money. Now, which do you think is easier to do? Regulate companies or regulate who can wield money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, look&#8230; United is at it again. I&#8217;m telling you guys, if you take that airline, you&#8217;re asking for trouble!</p>
<p>Jason, the trouble with trusting the market to regulate businesses is that too much money is in the hands of unintelligent people. People aren&#8217;t all smart enough to immediately boycott bad products and search hard for alternatives. Too many are far too chained to their own habits and ignorance, and therefore there&#8217;s a major hole in the laws of supply and demand.</p>
<p>Before we can ever pull government regulations back, we need to find a way to keep stupid people from wielding money. Now, which do you think is easier to do? Regulate companies or regulate who can wield money?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason H</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19140</link>
		<author>Jason H</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 18:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2008/01/10/travel-2008-33-hours-from-san-juan-to-chicago/#comment-19140</guid>
		<description>I can't bring myself to agree with the need for a legislatated "Bill of Rights."  Did the airlines fail? Yes. However their punishment needs to come from market dynamics, not the government.  If people stopped flying an airline because of some of these issues, then the airline would have to work to correct the problem.  

I only flew 55,000 miles last year (mainly on Delta), so maybe I just don't fly enough to see these problems.  The only time I was "stranded" was when we Denver was having heavy snowfall and we had to wait to be de-iced.  We were on the ground for 2 hours waiting to de-ice and for a runway to be cleared.  At no time did I want to return to the gate and have to wait through all that again.

Like the CEO of Spirit alluded to, people are too busy looking for the lowest priced airfare, but yet the continue to expect first class service.  If the airline didn't treat you right, stop flying it.  That's why I refuse to fly United despite living in the Denver area.  Sure I pay more, sometimes a lot more, but for me it isn't about price, but service and I get better service with Delta, Alaska, and Continental than I do with United so I pay the extra.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t bring myself to agree with the need for a legislatated &#8220;Bill of Rights.&#8221;  Did the airlines fail? Yes. However their punishment needs to come from market dynamics, not the government.  If people stopped flying an airline because of some of these issues, then the airline would have to work to correct the problem.  </p>
<p>I only flew 55,000 miles last year (mainly on Delta), so maybe I just don&#8217;t fly enough to see these problems.  The only time I was &#8220;stranded&#8221; was when we Denver was having heavy snowfall and we had to wait to be de-iced.  We were on the ground for 2 hours waiting to de-ice and for a runway to be cleared.  At no time did I want to return to the gate and have to wait through all that again.</p>
<p>Like the CEO of Spirit alluded to, people are too busy looking for the lowest priced airfare, but yet the continue to expect first class service.  If the airline didn&#8217;t treat you right, stop flying it.  That&#8217;s why I refuse to fly United despite living in the Denver area.  Sure I pay more, sometimes a lot more, but for me it isn&#8217;t about price, but service and I get better service with Delta, Alaska, and Continental than I do with United so I pay the extra.</p>
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