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	<title>Comments on: Upgrades and Downgrades &#8212; August 29, 2007 &#8212; Lineups, fees, fab pilots, and the death of paper tickets</title>
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		<title>By: Short hops &#8212; September 20, 2007 &#8212; Southwest&#8217;s revised seating policy, Virgin&#8217;s expanding premium cabin, international booking mysteries solved, and US Airways&#8217; new upgrade policy &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</title>
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		<dc:creator>Short hops &#8212; September 20, 2007 &#8212; Southwest&#8217;s revised seating policy, Virgin&#8217;s expanding premium cabin, international booking mysteries solved, and US Airways&#8217; new upgrade policy &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new seating plan The experiments are over, and the San Antonio model has won out. Starting in November, the new system will be nationwide. Each boarding pass will have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leighsah</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/29/upgrades-and-downgrades-august-29-2007-lineups-fees-fab-pilots-and-the-death-of-paper-tickets/comment-page-1/#comment-16157</link>
		<dc:creator>Leighsah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE Southwest for their A/B/C system. I make certain the second I am within the 24-hour window, I reserve my A pass. Then I make very certain I am there early enough to make a b-line for the emergency row. That way I am assured no little beasties will be seated next to me. Gotta love that under 15 rule.

Now for the idiot parent who can't control their beastie and it kicks my seat, pulls my hair, screeches, throws food or other items or does something else incredibly annoying, I have have no problem embarrassing the parent until they figure out how to control their kid. I have also been know to make formal complaints to flight attendants when the situation has been completely out of control. Someday an airline is going to make a child-free section in the plane and for that I will be eternally grateful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE Southwest for their A/B/C system. I make certain the second I am within the 24-hour window, I reserve my A pass. Then I make very certain I am there early enough to make a b-line for the emergency row. That way I am assured no little beasties will be seated next to me. Gotta love that under 15 rule.</p>
<p>Now for the idiot parent who can&#8217;t control their beastie and it kicks my seat, pulls my hair, screeches, throws food or other items or does something else incredibly annoying, I have have no problem embarrassing the parent until they figure out how to control their kid. I have also been know to make formal complaints to flight attendants when the situation has been completely out of control. Someday an airline is going to make a child-free section in the plane and for that I will be eternally grateful.</p>
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		<title>By: The Global Traveller</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/29/upgrades-and-downgrades-august-29-2007-lineups-fees-fab-pilots-and-the-death-of-paper-tickets/comment-page-1/#comment-16150</link>
		<dc:creator>The Global Traveller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sceptical that paper tickets will be completely gone by mid next year.

I recently got a paper ticket that was &lt;i&gt;hand-written&lt;/i&gt; - issued by a major airline at a major hub.  Not only was it a paper ticket for a common fare type, unable to be e-ticketed due to computer restrictions, but apparently the ticket also couldn't be printed.

I can imagine the logistics for ensuring e-ticketing works even on complex tickets at remote, third world locations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sceptical that paper tickets will be completely gone by mid next year.</p>
<p>I recently got a paper ticket that was <i>hand-written</i> - issued by a major airline at a major hub.  Not only was it a paper ticket for a common fare type, unable to be e-ticketed due to computer restrictions, but apparently the ticket also couldn&#8217;t be printed.</p>
<p>I can imagine the logistics for ensuring e-ticketing works even on complex tickets at remote, third world locations.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/29/upgrades-and-downgrades-august-29-2007-lineups-fees-fab-pilots-and-the-death-of-paper-tickets/comment-page-1/#comment-16127</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for finding that.  The Dallas Morning News article you cite has some more "color" on this (and has the same photo):
&lt;blockquote&gt;In the San Antonio test, Group A includes 60 passengers who line up in groups of five just before boarding. Group B customers don't line up until the first group is aboard.

The test will include various modifications to the gate area to see if a divider is needed and which signs are easiest to read. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also, with regard to your use of the automated check-in systems: There's nothing illegitimate about them.  It's your reservation.  Manage it however you see fit.

For more details on these services that guarantee you a spot in the A-group, sometimes even for FREE, &lt;a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/06/07/getting-the-best-seats-on-southwest-just-got-harder/" rel="nofollow"&gt;see here&lt;/a&gt;.

Now let's see those sites fight it out to see who can guarantee group A, spots 1 through 5!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for finding that.  The Dallas Morning News article you cite has some more &#8220;color&#8221; on this (and has the same photo):</p>
<blockquote><p>In the San Antonio test, Group A includes 60 passengers who line up in groups of five just before boarding. Group B customers don&#8217;t line up until the first group is aboard.</p>
<p>The test will include various modifications to the gate area to see if a divider is needed and which signs are easiest to read. </p></blockquote>
<p>Also, with regard to your use of the automated check-in systems: There&#8217;s nothing illegitimate about them.  It&#8217;s your reservation.  Manage it however you see fit.</p>
<p>For more details on these services that guarantee you a spot in the A-group, sometimes even for FREE, <a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/06/07/getting-the-best-seats-on-southwest-just-got-harder/" rel="nofollow">see here</a>.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s see those sites fight it out to see who can guarantee group A, spots 1 through 5!</p>
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		<title>By: Flew Southwest Once</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/29/upgrades-and-downgrades-august-29-2007-lineups-fees-fab-pilots-and-the-death-of-paper-tickets/comment-page-1/#comment-16124</link>
		<dc:creator>Flew Southwest Once</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some searching found two articles that detail what they are calling 'enhanced boarding' procedure. One is &lt;a href="http://www.blogsouthwest.com/2007/08/23/enhanced-boarding/" rel="nofollow"&gt;over at the Southwest Blog&lt;/a&gt; the other &lt;a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-southwest_08bus.ART.State.Edition1.35a99b0.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;an article by the Dallas Morning News.&lt;/a&gt;

Looks like they are keeping the A-B-C groups but also pinning a spot number inside the group's pecking order in an effort to keep the crowds from dashing like mad to the front of the queue once the first brave soul stakes their claim to the No. 1 spot an hour and a half before boarding begins.

I can see this helping not only the crowds but also those crafty people that doctor their B/C passes to A-status with a sleight of hand and the Southwest online check-in. Having several people showing up to the gate with the same A1 printed on their ticket could raise a flag or two. Full Disclosure: I did use an automated boarding pass retrieval service to (somewhat) legitimately nab an A-pass on my pair of Southwest flights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some searching found two articles that detail what they are calling &#8216;enhanced boarding&#8217; procedure. One is <a href="http://www.blogsouthwest.com/2007/08/23/enhanced-boarding/" rel="nofollow">over at the Southwest Blog</a> the other <a href="http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-southwest_08bus.ART.State.Edition1.35a99b0.html" rel="nofollow">an article by the Dallas Morning News.</a></p>
<p>Looks like they are keeping the A-B-C groups but also pinning a spot number inside the group&#8217;s pecking order in an effort to keep the crowds from dashing like mad to the front of the queue once the first brave soul stakes their claim to the No. 1 spot an hour and a half before boarding begins.</p>
<p>I can see this helping not only the crowds but also those crafty people that doctor their B/C passes to A-status with a sleight of hand and the Southwest online check-in. Having several people showing up to the gate with the same A1 printed on their ticket could raise a flag or two. Full Disclosure: I did use an automated boarding pass retrieval service to (somewhat) legitimately nab an A-pass on my pair of Southwest flights.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I recall correctly, the old way was for passengers to get their plastic boarding cards when they &lt;em&gt;arrived at the gate&lt;/em&gt;, and a range of numbers (20 or 30 at a time?) would board together, effectively creating the A/B/C zones by another name.  I don't recall the precise mechanics of the lineup procedure.  (Corrections, anyone?)

Now, with the numbers are assigned at check-in, it'll be all the more important to scramble online 24 hours before your flight.  

FYI, Southwest only abandoned the plastic card system in the summer of 2002.  It seems like ages ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I recall correctly, the old way was for passengers to get their plastic boarding cards when they <em>arrived at the gate</em>, and a range of numbers (20 or 30 at a time?) would board together, effectively creating the A/B/C zones by another name.  I don&#8217;t recall the precise mechanics of the lineup procedure.  (Corrections, anyone?)</p>
<p>Now, with the numbers are assigned at check-in, it&#8217;ll be all the more important to scramble online 24 hours before your flight.  </p>
<p>FYI, Southwest only abandoned the plastic card system in the summer of 2002.  It seems like ages ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Flew Southwest Once</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flew Southwest Once</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't this a return back to the way Southwest used to board planes pre-9/11 and before online check-in? Show up at the ticket counter and get your plastic boarding card with a number stamped on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this a return back to the way Southwest used to board planes pre-9/11 and before online check-in? Show up at the ticket counter and get your plastic boarding card with a number stamped on it?</p>
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