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		<title>By: mps247</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-20386</link>
		<dc:creator>mps247</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that it is now March 2008, and nobody is probably going to read this, and it won&#039;t help the person who submitted the question, but I thought I should mention this.

Prior to this month, I believe, there were no direct flights between LHR and IAH. This was because of the restrictions imposed by Bermuda II. In other words, you would have to fly to London Gatwick (LGW) instead. I believe that both Continental and British Airways operated these routes. For connections to MXP or LIN, you could have taken a budget flight on easyJet (no through ticket, so leave at least 3 hours to exit security, change terminal (North to South), check-in, and go back through security).

It is a bit of a mute point, because from the end of this month, Open Skies allows both airlines to fly to Heathrow directly from Houston. So, they are taking full advantage of it, and moving their flights from LGW to LHR.

So, for future reference to those of you who may want to do the same, you can do the following:

IAH ---&gt; LHR with Continental
LHR ---&gt; MXP or LIN with Alitalia
Continental and Alitalia are part of SkyTeam

or:

IAH ---&gt; LHR ---&gt; MXP with British Airways

Two points to note about transfer. Once terminal 5 is up and running, British Airways will start moving in. All of their flights will depart from there, meaning that transit should be much easier (and a more pleasant experience).

Also, once Terminal 5 is up and ready, airlines will be relocated to aid transfers. All SkyTeam airlines will be placed in Terminal 4.

So, should you wish to repeat the journey in a year&#039;s time (that is just an estimate), the transit experience at LHR should be much improved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that it is now March 2008, and nobody is probably going to read this, and it won&#8217;t help the person who submitted the question, but I thought I should mention this.</p>
<p>Prior to this month, I believe, there were no direct flights between LHR and IAH. This was because of the restrictions imposed by Bermuda II. In other words, you would have to fly to London Gatwick (LGW) instead. I believe that both Continental and British Airways operated these routes. For connections to MXP or LIN, you could have taken a budget flight on easyJet (no through ticket, so leave at least 3 hours to exit security, change terminal (North to South), check-in, and go back through security).</p>
<p>It is a bit of a mute point, because from the end of this month, Open Skies allows both airlines to fly to Heathrow directly from Houston. So, they are taking full advantage of it, and moving their flights from LGW to LHR.</p>
<p>So, for future reference to those of you who may want to do the same, you can do the following:</p>
<p>IAH &#8212;&gt; LHR with Continental<br />
LHR &#8212;&gt; MXP or LIN with Alitalia<br />
Continental and Alitalia are part of SkyTeam</p>
<p>or:</p>
<p>IAH &#8212;&gt; LHR &#8212;&gt; MXP with British Airways</p>
<p>Two points to note about transfer. Once terminal 5 is up and running, British Airways will start moving in. All of their flights will depart from there, meaning that transit should be much easier (and a more pleasant experience).</p>
<p>Also, once Terminal 5 is up and ready, airlines will be relocated to aid transfers. All SkyTeam airlines will be placed in Terminal 4.</p>
<p>So, should you wish to repeat the journey in a year&#8217;s time (that is just an estimate), the transit experience at LHR should be much improved!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader mail: How do I find ALL the nonstop flights from an airport? &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-16201</link>
		<dc:creator>Reader mail: How do I find ALL the nonstop flights from an airport? &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 02:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Brian G. asks: Your recent reader mail about international stopovers provides a reasonable segue for me to ask a question I&#8217;ve been [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Ourisman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ourisman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with others to avoid LHR if at all possible. CDG is another European airport to avoid inbound.

AMS is a great connecting city, using Northwest/KLM.

FRA is good, using United/Lufthansa.

If you want to fly an economical business class over the pond, fly L&#039;Avion out of EWR to ORY, then connect to LIN or MXP. (Linate in Milan is much closer than Malpensa).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with others to avoid LHR if at all possible. CDG is another European airport to avoid inbound.</p>
<p>AMS is a great connecting city, using Northwest/KLM.</p>
<p>FRA is good, using United/Lufthansa.</p>
<p>If you want to fly an economical business class over the pond, fly L&#8217;Avion out of EWR to ORY, then connect to LIN or MXP. (Linate in Milan is much closer than Malpensa).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-16117</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: actually purchasing the tickets, you can sometimes get a decent fare for mixed itineraries within the same alliance, but cross-alliance pricing is pretty steep.  

I have actually found &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=EReIzb1idUs&amp;offerid=130293.10000807&amp;type=3&amp;subid=0&quot;  rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orbitz&lt;/a&gt; to be pretty good at coming up with mixed-airline itineraries.  Probably because they&#039;re running ITA Software&#039;s search engine for fares.&lt;IMG border=0 width=1 height=1 src=&quot;http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/show?id=EReIzb1idUs&amp;bids=130293.10000807&amp;type=3&amp;subid=0&quot; &gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: actually purchasing the tickets, you can sometimes get a decent fare for mixed itineraries within the same alliance, but cross-alliance pricing is pretty steep.  </p>
<p>I have actually found <a href="http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/click?id=EReIzb1idUs&#038;offerid=130293.10000807&#038;type=3&#038;subid=0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">Orbitz</a> to be pretty good at coming up with mixed-airline itineraries.  Probably because they&#8217;re running ITA Software&#8217;s search engine for fares.<img border=0 width=1 height=1 src="http://ad.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/show?id=EReIzb1idUs&#038;bids=130293.10000807&#038;type=3&#038;subid=0" /></p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Colman (a.k.a. Dr. Vino)</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-16116</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Colman (a.k.a. Dr. Vino)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice! Whether or not Philly is the place to go on this itinerary may be debatable, but this is a great tip for intl travel to non-hubs. 

What would you advise when you are actually purchasing the tix and the only option is on different airlines? I guess you just have to find out the multi-airline premium over a single carrier and do the cost-benny analysis on the convenience...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice! Whether or not Philly is the place to go on this itinerary may be debatable, but this is a great tip for intl travel to non-hubs. </p>
<p>What would you advise when you are actually purchasing the tix and the only option is on different airlines? I guess you just have to find out the multi-airline premium over a single carrier and do the cost-benny analysis on the convenience&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 13:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great European airport that I try to connect or terminate my flight in is Amsterdam&#039;s Schipol.  It even has a little museum and a Lego rendition of the airport along with the hourly hotel and all the shops.  I&#039;m not sure if US Airways or their codeshares are frequent connectors through Schipol though as I fly SkyTeam airlines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great European airport that I try to connect or terminate my flight in is Amsterdam&#8217;s Schipol.  It even has a little museum and a Lego rendition of the airport along with the hourly hotel and all the shops.  I&#8217;m not sure if US Airways or their codeshares are frequent connectors through Schipol though as I fly SkyTeam airlines.</p>
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		<title>By: TierFlyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TierFlyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just check all my crap now so the 1 bag thing is no big deal.

My absolute fave place to eat is the fish/caviar place by the BA Upper lounge.  The name escapes me.  I like a couple of glasses of cold crisp white with the salmon sampler plate.  Fifty quid and well worth it.

Then I go drain the JWB in the BA/upper.

Concur with you about needing a lot of time to connect, but I&#039;m usually exhausted and half (or more) in the bag.....

-TF</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just check all my crap now so the 1 bag thing is no big deal.</p>
<p>My absolute fave place to eat is the fish/caviar place by the BA Upper lounge.  The name escapes me.  I like a couple of glasses of cold crisp white with the salmon sampler plate.  Fifty quid and well worth it.</p>
<p>Then I go drain the JWB in the BA/upper.</p>
<p>Concur with you about needing a lot of time to connect, but I&#8217;m usually exhausted and half (or more) in the bag&#8230;..</p>
<p>-TF</p>
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		<title>By: Anton Chuvakin</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-16097</link>
		<dc:creator>Anton Chuvakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, totally avoid Philly; my European trip did connect thru there and it was a bad (although not missed - barely) connection.

Philly = air traffic delays; you&#039;d wait in the air before landing and wait on the runway before departure (1-2 hours!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, totally avoid Philly; my European trip did connect thru there and it was a bad (although not missed &#8211; barely) connection.</p>
<p>Philly = air traffic delays; you&#8217;d wait in the air before landing and wait on the runway before departure (1-2 hours!)</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-16093</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget, if you connect at LHR (which I know you&#039;re trying to avoid), you can only have ONE carry-on bag, even if your original and final destination allow two.  I actually encountered this problem during a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.very-simple.com/blog/2007/03/05/ah-jetlag/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;transfer from Milan to NY&lt;/a&gt;, where, during a transfer that involved me running at full speed through two terminals, I had to figure out how to stuff my backpack into my rolling suitcase before they let me get on the security line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget, if you connect at LHR (which I know you&#8217;re trying to avoid), you can only have ONE carry-on bag, even if your original and final destination allow two.  I actually encountered this problem during a <a href="http://www.very-simple.com/blog/2007/03/05/ah-jetlag/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">transfer from Milan to NY</a>, where, during a transfer that involved me running at full speed through two terminals, I had to figure out how to stuff my backpack into my rolling suitcase before they let me get on the security line.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-16089</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeesh!  Thanks for that tale, and the warning.

Alright, I should have put in the US Airways/Philadelphia caveat, and your story sounds absolutely awful, but &lt;em&gt;in general&lt;/em&gt;, I stick with the advice that it&#039;s more convenient to connect domestic-to-international on the US side.

Your personal tale is actually fodder not just for the anti-US Airways case, but also for my argument that you should avoid making &lt;em&gt;international-to-domestic &lt;/em&gt;connections in the United States.  The absurd need to lug your suitcases to re-check your baggage, which you describe, is not limited to US Airways flights.  (Philadelphia sounds like the last place I want to make international-to-domestic connections, but it&#039;s no picnic changing terminals at JFK, Detroit, O&#039;Hare, or LAX either, I can assure you.)

Joe Brancatelli&#039;s article is a frightening tale indeed.  Everyone should read it:

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/brancatelli/2007-08-26-us-airways-europe_N.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeesh!  Thanks for that tale, and the warning.</p>
<p>Alright, I should have put in the US Airways/Philadelphia caveat, and your story sounds absolutely awful, but <em>in general</em>, I stick with the advice that it&#8217;s more convenient to connect domestic-to-international on the US side.</p>
<p>Your personal tale is actually fodder not just for the anti-US Airways case, but also for my argument that you should avoid making <em>international-to-domestic </em>connections in the United States.  The absurd need to lug your suitcases to re-check your baggage, which you describe, is not limited to US Airways flights.  (Philadelphia sounds like the last place I want to make international-to-domestic connections, but it&#8217;s no picnic changing terminals at JFK, Detroit, O&#8217;Hare, or LAX either, I can assure you.)</p>
<p>Joe Brancatelli&#8217;s article is a frightening tale indeed.  Everyone should read it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/brancatelli/2007-08-26-us-airways-europe_N.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/brancatelli/2007-08-26-us-airways-europe_N.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Hawkins Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawkins Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would avoid Philadelphia and US Airways, even if it cost more.

From USA Today&#039;s business traveler column:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/brancatelli/2007-08-26-us-airways-europe_N.htm&quot;&gt;Even your ever-skeptical columnist was shocked at what I found: a near-collapse of the day-to-day operations of US Airways&#039; Philadelphia-based trans-Atlantic service. Even by this summer&#039;s reduced standards, the operation that US Airways runs between Philadelphia and Europe is shocking.&lt;/blockquote&gt;.

I can vouch personally for Mr. Brancatelli&#039;s observations:  

In thirty years of flying I have never seen anything like the chaos at the Philadelphia hub a week ago, returning from France. To get from the customs to check in for domestic flights, for example, passengers were herded through the parking garage, down three flights of stairs (the elevators were broken). Imagine your grandmother trying to get her two suitcases down a narrow, dark concrete stairwell.

Far from helping, the US Airways staff simply screamed at the passengers, providing contradictory instructions and abuse.

&quot;Just drop your goddamn bags in this pile!&quot;

&quot;All bags must be re-checked! If you leave your bags in the pile they&#039;ll be removed and destroyed!&quot;

Nobody knows what to do or where to go, so the crowds get more massive, as the moving sidewalks push more people into the mass. People were jumping over the rail of the people mover to avoid being crushed.

Cattle? No, cattle are treated, generally, with far more respect and concern for physical safety than US Airways international passengers in Philadelphia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would avoid Philadelphia and US Airways, even if it cost more.</p>
<p>From USA Today&#8217;s business traveler column:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/brancatelli/2007-08-26-us-airways-europe_N.htm"><p>Even your ever-skeptical columnist was shocked at what I found: a near-collapse of the day-to-day operations of US Airways&#8217; Philadelphia-based trans-Atlantic service. Even by this summer&#8217;s reduced standards, the operation that US Airways runs between Philadelphia and Europe is shocking.</p></blockquote>
<p>.</p>
<p>I can vouch personally for Mr. Brancatelli&#8217;s observations:  </p>
<p>In thirty years of flying I have never seen anything like the chaos at the Philadelphia hub a week ago, returning from France. To get from the customs to check in for domestic flights, for example, passengers were herded through the parking garage, down three flights of stairs (the elevators were broken). Imagine your grandmother trying to get her two suitcases down a narrow, dark concrete stairwell.</p>
<p>Far from helping, the US Airways staff simply screamed at the passengers, providing contradictory instructions and abuse.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just drop your goddamn bags in this pile!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;All bags must be re-checked! If you leave your bags in the pile they&#8217;ll be removed and destroyed!&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody knows what to do or where to go, so the crowds get more massive, as the moving sidewalks push more people into the mass. People were jumping over the rail of the people mover to avoid being crushed.</p>
<p>Cattle? No, cattle are treated, generally, with far more respect and concern for physical safety than US Airways international passengers in Philadelphia.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/28/reader-mail-where-should-i-make-international-connections/#comment-16087</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LHR is indeed good for some things, as long as you leave yourself LOTS of time.

Agree with you about connections in Germany.  Frankfurt is so unbelievably boring, especially if you land at 5:15 am and await a flight at 8:00, as I seem to often get stuck doing.  Munich is a little better.

Very true that airports with lots of frequencies are better during cancellations, since there are more options to fly out.

So where are the best places to eat at LHR?...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LHR is indeed good for some things, as long as you leave yourself LOTS of time.</p>
<p>Agree with you about connections in Germany.  Frankfurt is so unbelievably boring, especially if you land at 5:15 am and await a flight at 8:00, as I seem to often get stuck doing.  Munich is a little better.</p>
<p>Very true that airports with lots of frequencies are better during cancellations, since there are more options to fly out.</p>
<p>So where are the best places to eat at LHR?&#8230;</p>
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