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		<title>By: The $240,000 traveling shirt &#124; Upgrade: Travel Better</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/12/dangerous-shirts-see-their-day-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-26475</link>
		<dc:creator>The $240,000 traveling shirt &#124; Upgrade: Travel Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the payment? Long-time readers may remember this case from an earlier post: JetBlue and a Transportation Security Administration (TSA) official, identified as “Inspector [...]</description>
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		<title>By: No ID at security: Fast-track to a government &#8220;list&#8221;? Either way, why are we bothering? &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</title>
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		<dc:creator>No ID at security: Fast-track to a government &#8220;list&#8221;? Either way, why are we bothering? &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a threat to security - Would you pay a fee to reserve a time to pass through airport security? - Dangerous shirts see their day in court - The TSA: New uniforms, new [...]</description>
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		<title>By: FrequentFlyer</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/12/dangerous-shirts-see-their-day-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-16789</link>
		<dc:creator>FrequentFlyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technically, yes, they could deny you service to fly on their airline.  That is the point.  It is their airline and you are paying them to use their services.  If they do not want your business, then they can deny you for just about anything.  Is that good business?  No, if they deny to many people or if an airline is consistently a pain to all of its travelers, then the travelers will stop flying that airline and it will go out of business.  But, that is their decision to make.  He has a right to wear his T-Shirt, and the airline has a right to not let him fly on their airline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technically, yes, they could deny you service to fly on their airline.  That is the point.  It is their airline and you are paying them to use their services.  If they do not want your business, then they can deny you for just about anything.  Is that good business?  No, if they deny to many people or if an airline is consistently a pain to all of its travelers, then the travelers will stop flying that airline and it will go out of business.  But, that is their decision to make.  He has a right to wear his T-Shirt, and the airline has a right to not let him fly on their airline.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/12/dangerous-shirts-see-their-day-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-16786</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I'm repeating myself, but I still fail to see how this shirt was ever offensive or liable to "stir up trouble" for anyone except the most racist xenophobes in our society.

So, "FrequentFlyer," are there any limits to where the airline fashion police can't go?  If I wear a Boston Red Sox shirt and the gate agent is a Yankees fan, can they keep me off the flight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m repeating myself, but I still fail to see how this shirt was ever offensive or liable to &#8220;stir up trouble&#8221; for anyone except the most racist xenophobes in our society.</p>
<p>So, &#8220;FrequentFlyer,&#8221; are there any limits to where the airline fashion police can&#8217;t go?  If I wear a Boston Red Sox shirt and the gate agent is a Yankees fan, can they keep me off the flight?</p>
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		<title>By: FrequentFlyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>FrequentFlyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main point that everyone is forgetting is that this person does not have a right to fly.  Jetblue is a privately own company and as such can deny services to anyone at anytime for any reason.  They should have just given him a refund and asked him to fly another airline.  Is this discrimination?  Maybe, but I dont think it is any more so then the typical "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" type of mentality.  People do not have a right to not be offended in this country, but they also dont have to be nice to someone who is annoying them either.  If you want to wear a T-shirt that is going to stir up trouble, even if you dont think it should, then you will have to live with the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main point that everyone is forgetting is that this person does not have a right to fly.  Jetblue is a privately own company and as such can deny services to anyone at anytime for any reason.  They should have just given him a refund and asked him to fly another airline.  Is this discrimination?  Maybe, but I dont think it is any more so then the typical &#8220;No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service&#8221; type of mentality.  People do not have a right to not be offended in this country, but they also dont have to be nice to someone who is annoying them either.  If you want to wear a T-shirt that is going to stir up trouble, even if you dont think it should, then you will have to live with the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: nic</title>
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		<dc:creator>nic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how is 'we will not be silent' offensive? 

oh yes, the arabic. 
so if it said 'love' in english and arabic i assume that would be offensive too? 
TSA, Jetblue, etc. deserve an a$$reaming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how is &#8216;we will not be silent&#8217; offensive? </p>
<p>oh yes, the arabic.<br />
so if it said &#8216;love&#8217; in english and arabic i assume that would be offensive too?<br />
TSA, Jetblue, etc. deserve an a$$reaming</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/08/12/dangerous-shirts-see-their-day-in-court/comment-page-1/#comment-15922</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So are we banning Arabic or other offensive or “it’s funny if you’re 15? t-shirts everywhere? No. Should the guy on the ground dealing with the situation have some latitude?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
First off, Arabic &lt;em&gt;or &lt;strong&gt;other&lt;/strong&gt; offensive&lt;/em&gt; shirts?  I sure hope you don't really think that Arabic script is, by default, offensive.

Second, the question about giving folks on the ground leeway is a fair one.  Leeway is sensible if the people given that leeway have a modicum of common sense.  The jetBlue and TSA representative sounds like they lacked that common sense.  Maybe they DO need a zero-tolerance policy on the books, with clearly defined boundaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So are we banning Arabic or other offensive or “it’s funny if you’re 15? t-shirts everywhere? No. Should the guy on the ground dealing with the situation have some latitude?</p></blockquote>
<p>First off, Arabic <em>or <strong>other</strong> offensive</em> shirts?  I sure hope you don&#8217;t really think that Arabic script is, by default, offensive.</p>
<p>Second, the question about giving folks on the ground leeway is a fair one.  Leeway is sensible if the people given that leeway have a modicum of common sense.  The jetBlue and TSA representative sounds like they lacked that common sense.  Maybe they DO need a zero-tolerance policy on the books, with clearly defined boundaries.</p>
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		<title>By: TierFlyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>TierFlyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, if you yell, "I am FIRED up" in a theater you clearly haven't yelled "FIRE" to panic people.  But people will panic.

So, did we ban the use of the word "Fire" in movie theaters?  No, we have laws against panicking people in certain places.  

For example, it is *not* against the law (here in my state, anyway) to yell FIRE on a city street.

So are we banning Arabic or other offensive or "it's funny if you're 15" t-shirts everywhere? No.  Should the guy on the ground dealing with the situation have some latitude?

Well, that depends on if you think the zero tolerance rules in schools today are an improvement on the rules we had when I was a kid where the principal and teachers had leeway.

-TF

PS - I have thbe "celebrate diversity" t-shirt full of different kinds of guns on it.  I wear it to shoot skeet, but would *never* wear it on public transportation.  I suspect it might make people very uneasy.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, if you yell, &#8220;I am FIRED up&#8221; in a theater you clearly haven&#8217;t yelled &#8220;FIRE&#8221; to panic people.  But people will panic.</p>
<p>So, did we ban the use of the word &#8220;Fire&#8221; in movie theaters?  No, we have laws against panicking people in certain places.  </p>
<p>For example, it is *not* against the law (here in my state, anyway) to yell FIRE on a city street.</p>
<p>So are we banning Arabic or other offensive or &#8220;it&#8217;s funny if you&#8217;re 15&#8243; t-shirts everywhere? No.  Should the guy on the ground dealing with the situation have some latitude?</p>
<p>Well, that depends on if you think the zero tolerance rules in schools today are an improvement on the rules we had when I was a kid where the principal and teachers had leeway.</p>
<p>-TF</p>
<p>PS - I have thbe &#8220;celebrate diversity&#8221; t-shirt full of different kinds of guns on it.  I wear it to shoot skeet, but would *never* wear it on public transportation.  I suspect it might make people very uneasy&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TierFlyer, 
You and I have debated about shirts once before, in the comment section here:
http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/12/15/would-an-anti-tony-blair-shirt-get-me-in-trouble-in-the-us/

In that case, the passenger was clearly being a provocateur, but the airlines overreacted.  But while I didn't feel his shirt warranted being kept off a flight -- especially with the canard that his shirt was a security threat -- I could see how you and others would be irritated by the guy.

In the Arabic script case, I don't even see the guy as a provocateur.  And I really don't see any plausible reason to keep this guy off a plane.  If people are offended by things written in Arabic, that's their problem.  Then, to turn your argument around, it's  &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; who should be opting to drive their car or ride the bus.  And they'd better hope they don't pass anything on the roadside that might threaten their heightened xenophobic sensitivities.  They might lose control of their vehicle if they catch sight of a falafel stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TierFlyer,<br />
You and I have debated about shirts once before, in the comment section here:<br />
<a href="http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/12/15/would-an-anti-tony-blair-shirt-get-me-in-trouble-in-the-us/" rel="nofollow">http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/12/15/would-an-anti-tony-blair-shirt-get-me-in-trouble-in-the-us/</a></p>
<p>In that case, the passenger was clearly being a provocateur, but the airlines overreacted.  But while I didn&#8217;t feel his shirt warranted being kept off a flight &#8212; especially with the canard that his shirt was a security threat &#8212; I could see how you and others would be irritated by the guy.</p>
<p>In the Arabic script case, I don&#8217;t even see the guy as a provocateur.  And I really don&#8217;t see any plausible reason to keep this guy off a plane.  If people are offended by things written in Arabic, that&#8217;s their problem.  Then, to turn your argument around, it&#8217;s  <em>they</em> who should be opting to drive their car or ride the bus.  And they&#8217;d better hope they don&#8217;t pass anything on the roadside that might threaten their heightened xenophobic sensitivities.  They might lose control of their vehicle if they catch sight of a falafel stand.</p>
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		<title>By: S A</title>
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		<dc:creator>S A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and also, if the guy finally caved and wore another shirt over it, why would Jetblue take away his existing seat and make him sit in the back.  He's clearly not a threat to security, so they let him on the plane.  That's just vindictive.  Sue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and also, if the guy finally caved and wore another shirt over it, why would Jetblue take away his existing seat and make him sit in the back.  He&#8217;s clearly not a threat to security, so they let him on the plane.  That&#8217;s just vindictive.  Sue.</p>
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		<title>By: S A</title>
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		<dc:creator>S A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TF,
How is Arabic script on a shirt "trying to cause trouble" ?  Are you seriously suggesting that anything in Arabic is by default threatening?  Better not connect in Dubai. Or London. Or Detroit, for that matter!

Have you looked at the photo of the shirt?  It barely draws any attention to itself.  It doesn't even meet the school principal test for being offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TF,<br />
How is Arabic script on a shirt &#8220;trying to cause trouble&#8221; ?  Are you seriously suggesting that anything in Arabic is by default threatening?  Better not connect in Dubai. Or London. Or Detroit, for that matter!</p>
<p>Have you looked at the photo of the shirt?  It barely draws any attention to itself.  It doesn&#8217;t even meet the school principal test for being offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 05:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TF - Why on earth are you frustrated by the guy wearing the tee shirt and not the people hassling him unnecessarily?

I would have barely more sympathy for your case if he had something offensive on his shirt, but his "crime" is displaying a language far older than ours!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TF - Why on earth are you frustrated by the guy wearing the tee shirt and not the people hassling him unnecessarily?</p>
<p>I would have barely more sympathy for your case if he had something offensive on his shirt, but his &#8220;crime&#8221; is displaying a language far older than ours!</p>
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