<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><!-- generator="wordpress/2.2.2" -->
<rss version="2.0" 
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/">
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Loss of use?  Get lost.</title>
	<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/</link>
	<description>Living the first class life -- at coach prices</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.2</generator>

	<item>
		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-21453</link>
		<author>Matt</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-21453</guid>
		<description>Too funny to read the various comments.  Insurance companies don't like hypotheticals like LOU.  Nice to see the follow up with info on the credit cards.  Unfortunately, most still don't pay attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too funny to read the various comments.  Insurance companies don&#8217;t like hypotheticals like LOU.  Nice to see the follow up with info on the credit cards.  Unfortunately, most still don&#8217;t pay attention.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Thaddeus Buttmunch</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-19484</link>
		<author>Thaddeus Buttmunch</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-19484</guid>
		<description>Some alpha male AA jock in a dodge ram in Rock Hill SC tried to pull the LOU crap on me (figuring as a Doc I could afford it), and I didn't bite. I needed a car b/c I had totalled another and got injured in the process. 

This is why we need socialism in this country.

...and as for the Gent who went to Mexico...

I studied medicine there for two years and Don't ASK!! never again would I go back to those corrupt gringo haters. They shaft each other too which is why they are all getting out and coming here.  I registered my car legally and they confiscated it and I needed a lawyer to get it back. And they all new G-D well that the majority of students registered their cars ILLEGALLY as tourists but never did anything to them. What a miserable hypocritical society they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some alpha male AA jock in a dodge ram in Rock Hill SC tried to pull the LOU crap on me (figuring as a Doc I could afford it), and I didn&#8217;t bite. I needed a car b/c I had totalled another and got injured in the process. </p>
<p>This is why we need socialism in this country.</p>
<p>&#8230;and as for the Gent who went to Mexico&#8230;</p>
<p>I studied medicine there for two years and Don&#8217;t ASK!! never again would I go back to those corrupt gringo haters. They shaft each other too which is why they are all getting out and coming here.  I registered my car legally and they confiscated it and I needed a lawyer to get it back. And they all new G-D well that the majority of students registered their cars ILLEGALLY as tourists but never did anything to them. What a miserable hypocritical society they have.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-18927</link>
		<author>James</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-18927</guid>
		<description>Just make sure you notify (file a claim) your card holder company as soon as possible after the accident.

I was hit with additional expenses two months after the accident, well after I thought the insurance company had it all covered.

VISA has a 45 day period to report claims.  After that .........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just make sure you notify (file a claim) your card holder company as soon as possible after the accident.</p>
<p>I was hit with additional expenses two months after the accident, well after I thought the insurance company had it all covered.</p>
<p>VISA has a 45 day period to report claims.  After that &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jon mankowski</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-18437</link>
		<author>jon mankowski</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 00:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-18437</guid>
		<description>Travel in Mexico.....things really have'nt changed all that much since my first Mexican holiday in 1967 after boot camp.
Imagine that: One still has to be ever so careful of the Mexican toristo industry. You can still easily wind up in jail or in great credit-card debt. They know how to screw you just enough so that we keep coming back anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travel in Mexico&#8230;..things really have&#8217;nt changed all that much since my first Mexican holiday in 1967 after boot camp.<br />
Imagine that: One still has to be ever so careful of the Mexican toristo industry. You can still easily wind up in jail or in great credit-card debt. They know how to screw you just enough so that we keep coming back anyway.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Renting a car in Mexico? Better have a high credit limit &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-18403</link>
		<author>Renting a car in Mexico? Better have a high credit limit &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-18403</guid>
		<description>[...] - Loss of use? Get lost. - Reader mail: Why would I want to upgrade my rental car? - Reader mail: What happened to car [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] - Loss of use? Get lost. - Reader mail: Why would I want to upgrade my rental car? - Reader mail: What happened to car [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16656</link>
		<author>Mark Ashley</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 01:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16656</guid>
		<description>Interestingly, Ed Perkins (who wrote the article originally referenced in this post, back in February 2007) revisits the issue of loss-of-use this week, 8 months later. Here's the link:
http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/beware-gaps-in-credit-card-coverage-for-rental-cars.html?id=2442326

I'm quoting the most relevant parts of Ed's article below:
&lt;blockquote&gt;For decades, other travel writers and I have advised not to buy overpriced CDW (collision/loss damage waiver) from the rental company, and to use your credit card's no-cost coverage instead. Given the high (and unjustified) cost of CDW—up to $25 a day—travelers who have followed it have paid a lot less for their rental cars than those who bought CDW. But the current situation calls that advice into question, at least in some cases.

Many versions of AmEx, MasterCard, and Visa offer no-cost collision coverage when you use one of their cards for the rental. All of the card agreements I've seen say that the card includes LOU coverage. But card coverage isn't as foolproof as it sounds:

    * Visa says compensation for each LOU claim is "evaluated on the specific circumstances and merits of the claim. The policy's underwriter will work hard on behalf of the cardholder to reach a fair and equitable settlement such that the LOU amount is considered reasonable and therefore covered by the policy."
    * AmEx and MasterCard, on the other hand, say they do not pay LOU charges unless the rental company provides a vehicle log. Because some rental companies, including Hertz, say they do not and will not share that information with the card issuers, renting with either of those cards presumably risks not being compensated.
[...]
Should you succumb? Unless you're sure your rental company will provide fleet logs, you'll be better off with Visa than either AmEx or MasterCard (including Diners Club). Cautious renters will probably now opt for the CDW, no matter how expensive. Gamblers may prefer to risk the loss-of-use charge as long as the vehicle damage is covered, which it is by many credit cards.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, Ed Perkins (who wrote the article originally referenced in this post, back in February 2007) revisits the issue of loss-of-use this week, 8 months later. Here&#8217;s the link:<br />
<a href="http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/beware-gaps-in-credit-card-coverage-for-rental-cars.html?id=2442326" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="liexternal">http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/beware-gaps-in-credit-card-coverage-for-rental-cars.html?id=2442326</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m quoting the most relevant parts of Ed&#8217;s article below:</p>
<blockquote><p>For decades, other travel writers and I have advised not to buy overpriced CDW (collision/loss damage waiver) from the rental company, and to use your credit card&#8217;s no-cost coverage instead. Given the high (and unjustified) cost of CDW—up to $25 a day—travelers who have followed it have paid a lot less for their rental cars than those who bought CDW. But the current situation calls that advice into question, at least in some cases.</p>
<p>Many versions of AmEx, MasterCard, and Visa offer no-cost collision coverage when you use one of their cards for the rental. All of the card agreements I&#8217;ve seen say that the card includes LOU coverage. But card coverage isn&#8217;t as foolproof as it sounds:</p>
<p>    * Visa says compensation for each LOU claim is &#8220;evaluated on the specific circumstances and merits of the claim. The policy&#8217;s underwriter will work hard on behalf of the cardholder to reach a fair and equitable settlement such that the LOU amount is considered reasonable and therefore covered by the policy.&#8221;<br />
    * AmEx and MasterCard, on the other hand, say they do not pay LOU charges unless the rental company provides a vehicle log. Because some rental companies, including Hertz, say they do not and will not share that information with the card issuers, renting with either of those cards presumably risks not being compensated.<br />
[&#8230;]<br />
Should you succumb? Unless you&#8217;re sure your rental company will provide fleet logs, you&#8217;ll be better off with Visa than either AmEx or MasterCard (including Diners Club). Cautious renters will probably now opt for the CDW, no matter how expensive. Gamblers may prefer to risk the loss-of-use charge as long as the vehicle damage is covered, which it is by many credit cards.</p></blockquote>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Quinton Bryson</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16654</link>
		<author>Quinton Bryson</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16654</guid>
		<description>Ok  first Jon sorry about the name calling greatly applogize. Next In most cases if its bigger than a Quater or Pierces the paint you will be charged for the damage and loss of use. No logs are needed because when we send the bill to your ins. co. it is listed in the Itimized statement. Next think of it this way if damage a windshiled on a new car to the market and car mfgs. have not started to produce the part we cannot rent the vehicle w/ a busted windshield. We have to wait untill the windshield comes in. Oh and by the way if you read the fine print on most if not all rental contract it states about loss of use. We can have the argument all night long if this is a correct practice or not but it still comes down to this dont want to pay down time take CDW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok  first Jon sorry about the name calling greatly applogize. Next In most cases if its bigger than a Quater or Pierces the paint you will be charged for the damage and loss of use. No logs are needed because when we send the bill to your ins. co. it is listed in the Itimized statement. Next think of it this way if damage a windshiled on a new car to the market and car mfgs. have not started to produce the part we cannot rent the vehicle w/ a busted windshield. We have to wait untill the windshield comes in. Oh and by the way if you read the fine print on most if not all rental contract it states about loss of use. We can have the argument all night long if this is a correct practice or not but it still comes down to this dont want to pay down time take CDW</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Ashley</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16595</link>
		<author>Mark Ashley</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16595</guid>
		<description>Quentin: No namecalling, please.  That's not acceptable here.

Putting Jon's question in a slightly different angle: 
If there is any car on the lot, and a renter can get another vehicle, how do you justify loss of use?  Do you produce fleet logs, or just the log of that vehicle?  Or neither?

Further, how is the duration of the loss of use actually calculated?  Actual time in the body shop?  

I've rented cars that had dents and dings.  And I would bet good money that the previous renter got hit with a loss-of-use charge.  Jon's comment may have been an oversimplification, but it's clear where he's coming from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quentin: No namecalling, please.  That&#8217;s not acceptable here.</p>
<p>Putting Jon&#8217;s question in a slightly different angle:<br />
If there is any car on the lot, and a renter can get another vehicle, how do you justify loss of use?  Do you produce fleet logs, or just the log of that vehicle?  Or neither?</p>
<p>Further, how is the duration of the loss of use actually calculated?  Actual time in the body shop?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve rented cars that had dents and dings.  And I would bet good money that the previous renter got hit with a loss-of-use charge.  Jon&#8217;s comment may have been an oversimplification, but it&#8217;s clear where he&#8217;s coming from.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Quinton bRYSON</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16594</link>
		<author>Quinton bRYSON</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-16594</guid>
		<description>Its simple and if you have never worked in the rental car business you would not know this but guess what it comes down to this. If You damage a vehicle we cannot rent that vehice and you stupid stupid person(Comment by Jon) dosnt relize that if we cant make the money on the car you will pay for the revenue we lose even if ther is 10 cars left that is 40+ dollars a day we lose to that vehicl.. 
Think of it this way if someone dammages your car what does the insurance do! RENT YOU A CAR so you can go to your usless and stupid job. No diffrent they just dont pay you for the loss they rent you a car....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its simple and if you have never worked in the rental car business you would not know this but guess what it comes down to this. If You damage a vehicle we cannot rent that vehice and you stupid stupid person(Comment by Jon) dosnt relize that if we cant make the money on the car you will pay for the revenue we lose even if ther is 10 cars left that is 40+ dollars a day we lose to that vehicl..<br />
Think of it this way if someone dammages your car what does the insurance do! RENT YOU A CAR so you can go to your usless and stupid job. No diffrent they just dont pay you for the loss they rent you a car&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-14872</link>
		<author>Jon</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-14872</guid>
		<description>I am aware of the credit card companies that do cover loss of use or loss or revenue.  The problem with you rental companies is that you will never send the support for it because you guys know it is bogus.  So if one car is in being repaired  why cant you rent out the other 10 that are just sitting in your lot waiting to be rented out. How are you losing revenue when you have cars just sitting in your lot to be rented?  It is a bogus charge and everyone knows.  If you have no cars left in your lot of that class why not send the support (fleet utilization log)showing that so the credit cards can pay you for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am aware of the credit card companies that do cover loss of use or loss or revenue.  The problem with you rental companies is that you will never send the support for it because you guys know it is bogus.  So if one car is in being repaired  why cant you rent out the other 10 that are just sitting in your lot waiting to be rented out. How are you losing revenue when you have cars just sitting in your lot to be rented?  It is a bogus charge and everyone knows.  If you have no cars left in your lot of that class why not send the support (fleet utilization log)showing that so the credit cards can pay you for it?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Quinton Bryson</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-14623</link>
		<author>Quinton Bryson</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-14623</guid>
		<description>DOWN TIME!!!

 This is a person who has worked for Budget rent a car for well over 8 years. I can tell you from experience that 98% of your auto insurances do not cover loss of use. They cannot control how long vehicle sits in shop rental co takes vehicle gets repairs done then bills insurance besides your ded and your primiums going up there is also the responsibility of down tim. 14.99-25.99 seems like a small price to pay....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DOWN TIME!!!</p>
<p> This is a person who has worked for Budget rent a car for well over 8 years. I can tell you from experience that 98% of your auto insurances do not cover loss of use. They cannot control how long vehicle sits in shop rental co takes vehicle gets repairs done then bills insurance besides your ded and your primiums going up there is also the responsibility of down tim. 14.99-25.99 seems like a small price to pay&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Reader roundup: More tips for car rental deals &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</title>
		<link>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-11831</link>
		<author>Reader roundup: More tips for car rental deals &#187; Upgrade: Travel Better</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/02/25/loss-of-use-get-lost/#comment-11831</guid>
		<description>[...] to car rental late-return grace periods? - Rental car agent blows smoke up my backside, redux - Loss of use? Get lost.  &#171; Trans-Atlantic low fare competition heating up: Zoom and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to car rental late-return grace periods? - Rental car agent blows smoke up my backside, redux - Loss of use? Get lost.  &laquo; Trans-Atlantic low fare competition heating up: Zoom and [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
