Comments on: Security update: Shorter no-fly lists; air cargo won’t be screened, “for your safety” http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/ Living the first class life -- at coach prices Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:12:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=9649 By: No ID at security: Fast-track to a government “list”? Either way, why are we bothering? » Upgrade: Travel Better http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-23023 No ID at security: Fast-track to a government “list”? Either way, why are we bothering? » Upgrade: Travel Better Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:12:04 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-23023 [...] - Security update: Shorter no-fly lists; air cargo won’t be screened, “for your safety” - Your laptop is a suitcase: How the U.S. government is searching computers, phones, and other [...] […] - Security update: Shorter no-fly lists; air cargo won’t be screened, “for your safety” - Your laptop is a suitcase: How the U.S. government is searching computers, phones, and other […]

]]> By: Current Events Watch » Blog Archive » Alternative Postage Saves Lives http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-15683 Current Events Watch » Blog Archive » Alternative Postage Saves Lives Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:32:58 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-15683 [...] security, too! Of course, I try to ignore the fact that the tons of cargo in the belly of the plane hasn’t been scanned or searched at all. I’d personally rather know what’s in the trunk directly below me on the plane, [...] […] security, too! Of course, I try to ignore the fact that the tons of cargo in the belly of the plane hasn’t been scanned or searched at all. I’d personally rather know what’s in the trunk directly below me on the plane, […]

]]> By: BLOGical Thoughts » Monday, 22 January, 2007 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-690 BLOGical Thoughts » Monday, 22 January, 2007 Mon, 22 Jan 2007 14:28:23 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-690 [...] Security update: Shorter no-fly lists; air cargo won’t be screened, “for your safety” [...] […] Security update: Shorter no-fly lists; air cargo won’t be screened, “for your safety” […]

]]> By: TJ http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-678 TJ Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:53:15 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-678 @Dario "I sometimes wonder if we don’t deserve everything we get for buying into the whole mammalian hierachy/politics game." I'm old enough that I'm absolutely we're not getting what we deserve -- but we are getting what we got suckered into. It's that old black magic. @Dario

“I sometimes wonder if we don’t deserve everything we get for buying into the whole mammalian hierachy/politics game.”

I’m old enough that I’m absolutely we’re not getting what we deserve — but we are getting what we got suckered into. It’s that old black magic.

]]> By: iBulk http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-674 iBulk Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:14:07 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-674 http://digg.com/politics/Shorter_no_fly_lists_air_cargo_won_t_be_screened_for_your_safety http://digg.com/politics/Shorter_no_fly_lists_air_cargo_won_t_be_screened_for_your_safety

]]> By: S A http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-673 S A Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:20:22 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-673 I think the problem here is the word "all," like TierFlyre said. But just like the Congress should perhaps not mandate that ALL cargo be screened, maybe the TSA should just as equally not say they think it's a bad idea to screen NONE of it. Keep the terrorists guessing, I say. I think the problem here is the word “all,” like TierFlyre said.

But just like the Congress should perhaps not mandate that ALL cargo be screened, maybe the TSA should just as equally not say they think it’s a bad idea to screen NONE of it.

Keep the terrorists guessing, I say.

]]> By: Aaron Muderick http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-671 Aaron Muderick Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:11:21 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-671 I am not an advocate of TSA bureaucracy but in this case Hawley has a point. After the Pam-AM 103 bombing, cargo is carried in bomb-resistant containers. Even a fairly large bomb would fail to pierce the skin of the aircraft. Why then should we inspect it all? Remember that cargo contains things which are 10 times weirder than luggage. It would be incredibly difficult to review and identify it. Unlike international freight, domestic cargo is not required to identify its contents. It is a lot harder to figure out what is in the box if you don't know what is SUPPOSED to be in there. Scanning cargo is a waste of money. I am not an advocate of TSA bureaucracy but in this case Hawley has a point. After the Pam-AM 103 bombing, cargo is carried in bomb-resistant containers. Even a fairly large bomb would fail to pierce the skin of the aircraft. Why then should we inspect it all?

Remember that cargo contains things which are 10 times weirder than luggage. It would be incredibly difficult to review and identify it. Unlike international freight, domestic cargo is not required to identify its contents. It is a lot harder to figure out what is in the box if you don’t know what is SUPPOSED to be in there.

Scanning cargo is a waste of money.

]]> By: Perry http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-670 Perry Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:10:24 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-670 TF has it right. What if they inspect all boxes and an airport employee walks over and puts a bomb among the perfectly safe, inspected boxes..... TSA should be able to move its security around to cover some of everywhere versus all of just one thing. TSA only takes away pies if they can also confiscate sharp objects like forks aong with them..... TF has it right. What if they inspect all boxes and an airport employee walks over and puts a bomb among the perfectly safe, inspected boxes…..

TSA should be able to move its security around to cover some of everywhere versus all of just one thing.

TSA only takes away pies if they can also confiscate sharp objects like forks aong with them…..

]]> By: Ben http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-668 Ben Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:20:32 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-668 Wait what? Did anyone read the quote? TierFlyre gets it... Uninformed representatives trying to legislate specific security processes doesn't make sense. Leave the decisions up to the people who understand the situation and the problems. The more legislation written, the more complexity and loopholes created, and the more legislation needed. (This is how we got to this silly stage of confiscating pies but maybe not because they aren't a liquid. How does the runny-ness of a pie affect passenger safety? Thank rules-from-the-top for most of this crap.) Though I suppose Hawley did actually mean "no we think searching cargo is for losers" as everyone seems to assume... Maybe he just doesn't want to be distracted from the free pies. If so, I'm sorry to interrupt the bashing. :) Wait what? Did anyone read the quote? TierFlyre gets it… Uninformed representatives trying to legislate specific security processes doesn’t make sense. Leave the decisions up to the people who understand the situation and the problems. The more legislation written, the more complexity and loopholes created, and the more legislation needed.

(This is how we got to this silly stage of confiscating pies but maybe not because they aren’t a liquid. How does the runny-ness of a pie affect passenger safety? Thank rules-from-the-top for most of this crap.)

Though I suppose Hawley did actually mean “no we think searching cargo is for losers” as everyone seems to assume… Maybe he just doesn’t want to be distracted from the free pies. If so, I’m sorry to interrupt the bashing. :)

]]> By: Dario http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-667 Dario Sat, 20 Jan 2007 06:50:25 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-667 Thudding sounds indeed. What amazes me is why we all tolerate this veriginous imbecility from elected officials and their subordinates. Sheep to the slaughter, I sometimes wonder if we don't deserve everything we get for buying into the whole mammalian hierachy/politics game. Thudding sounds indeed. What amazes me is why we all tolerate this veriginous imbecility from elected officials and their subordinates. Sheep to the slaughter, I sometimes wonder if we don’t deserve everything we get for buying into the whole mammalian hierachy/politics game.

]]> By: TierFlyre http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-665 TierFlyre Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:53:36 +0000 http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2007/01/18/security-update-shorter-no-fly-lists-air-cargo-wont-be-screened-for-your-safety/#comment-665 Hmm, I read that as "if you make me inspect ALL teh cargo it will make it easier to get at me elsewhere b/c you're not funding me to put more resources on cargo." In other words, if the Congress, for example, decides to shift several thousand boxes of archive material via DCA to DEN to get it into mountain storage, should the TSA inspect it all, some of it, or none of it? This bill would require *all* of it to be inspected. -TF Hmm, I read that as “if you make me inspect ALL teh cargo it will make it easier to get at me elsewhere b/c you’re not funding me to put more resources on cargo.”

In other words, if the Congress, for example, decides to shift several thousand boxes of archive material via DCA to DEN to get it into mountain storage, should the TSA inspect it all, some of it, or none of it?

This bill would require *all* of it to be inspected.

-TF

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