Comments on: JetBlue experimenting with passenger safety? http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/ Living the first class life -- at coach prices Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:55:54 -0700 hourly 1 By: JetBlue announces Chicago routes and fare sale » Upgrade: Travel Better http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-14801 JetBlue announces Chicago routes and fare sale » Upgrade: Travel Better Sun, 20 May 2007 00:34:09 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-14801 [...] let’s just keep the pilot alertness experiments to a minimum, [...] [...] let’s just keep the pilot alertness experiments to a minimum, [...]

]]> By: Better Living Through Miles http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-277 Better Living Through Miles Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:19:00 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-277 The bigger issue, to me, is not the 2 or 3 hours of extra flying time. Anyone who's driven cross-country knows that you can drive for quite a while and still maintain control. But that's not the point. It's the fact that the airline abused the public's trust and <B>secretly</B> experimented like this, rather than publicly admitting that these flights weren't operating under typical FAA rules. The bigger issue, to me, is not the 2 or 3 hours of extra flying time. Anyone who’s driven cross-country knows that you can drive for quite a while and still maintain control. But that’s not the point. It’s the fact that the airline abused the public’s trust and secretly experimented like this, rather than publicly admitting that these flights weren’t operating under typical FAA rules.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-276 Anonymous Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:56:00 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-276 This is very much overblown. Many airline pilots are routinely on duty for upwards of 15 hours. Unfortunately, FAA rules primarily regulate only that time spent actually *at the controls.* That's what JetBlue was getting the waiver for. Crew fatigue is an issue, and has been for years. But believe me, it's not cockpit time the causes pilot fatigue, it's *duty time,* which includes airport layovers, delays, etc. Patrick Smith www.askthepilot.com This is very much overblown.

Many airline pilots are routinely on duty for upwards of 15 hours. Unfortunately, FAA rules primarily regulate only that time spent actually *at the controls.* That’s what JetBlue was getting the waiver for.

Crew fatigue is an issue, and has been for years. But believe me, it’s not cockpit time the causes pilot fatigue, it’s *duty time,* which includes airport layovers, delays, etc.

Patrick Smith
http://www.askthepilot.com

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-275 Anonymous Tue, 24 Oct 2006 00:55:00 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-275 This is very much overblown. Many airline pilots are routinely on duty for upwards of 15 hours. Unfortunately, FAA rules primarily regulate only that time spent actually *at the controls.* That's what JetBlue was getting the waiver for. Crew fatigue is an issue, and has been for years. But believe me, it's not cockpit time the causes pilot fatigue, it's *duty time,* which includes airport layovers, delays, etc. Patrick Smith www.askthepilot.com This is very much overblown.

Many airline pilots are routinely on duty for upwards of 15 hours. Unfortunately, FAA rules primarily regulate only that time spent actually *at the controls.* That’s what JetBlue was getting the waiver for.

Crew fatigue is an issue, and has been for years. But believe me, it’s not cockpit time the causes pilot fatigue, it’s *duty time,* which includes airport layovers, delays, etc.

Patrick Smith
http://www.askthepilot.com

]]> By: Basil http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-274 Basil Mon, 23 Oct 2006 14:48:00 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-274 That can't be legal... Overtime is ok if unavoidable, but deliberately putting paying customers at a higher level of risk without their consent? That can’t be legal… Overtime is ok if unavoidable, but deliberately putting paying customers at a higher level of risk without their consent?

]]> By: Barak Pearlmutter http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-273 Barak Pearlmutter Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:35:00 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-273 I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. They cleared it with the FAA. Jet Blue did nothing wrong here. No passengers were in danger, and there was no real prospect of danger. There was even a third reserve pilot, in case one of the first two said "Oops I'm tired." Do you really think every time the FAA or an airline makes a teeny tiny change to previous practices the passengers should all get written notification or something? That is silly, as is this entire "issue". I see absolutely nothing wrong with this. They cleared it with the FAA. Jet Blue did nothing wrong here. No passengers were in danger, and there was no real prospect of danger. There was even a third reserve pilot, in case one of the first two said “Oops I’m tired.” Do you really think every time the FAA or an airline makes a teeny tiny change to previous practices the passengers should all get written notification or something? That is silly, as is this entire “issue”.

]]> By: Jane http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-272 Jane Mon, 23 Oct 2006 04:09:00 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-272 Thanks for posting this news. I'm saddened by this... I regularly fly Jet Blue coast to coast. I would like to see the actual flights published-- which dates and routes were these tests conducted? I hope there is public pressure to make that information known, in addition to the results of the tests. Thanks for posting this news. I’m saddened by this… I regularly fly Jet Blue coast to coast. I would like to see the actual flights published– which dates and routes were these tests conducted? I hope there is public pressure to make that information known, in addition to the results of the tests.

]]> By: Mick Gordon http://www.upgradetravelbetter.com/2006/10/22/jetblue-experimenting-with-passenger-safety/#comment-271 Mick Gordon Mon, 23 Oct 2006 04:00:00 +0000 http://upgradetravelbetter.com/?p=376#comment-271 Would have been a lot easier to test this in a simulator and no doubt have saved the public embarassment. Would have been a lot easier to test this in a simulator and no doubt have saved the public embarassment.

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